Covid 19

[TopCat.]

Yes

BBC News - UK Covid cases continue to rise https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62265648

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testing 100 people and finding 17 of them have covid does not mean that 1 in 17 people in the UK have covid. There is a real danger in the way these govt bodies report the figures

 

[BRMC]

It has me in bed for about 3 days last month. I then forced myself into work on the 4th day, and struggled with fatigue and my sleeping patterns for weeks after.

 

[gelders pie]

Agreed. People talk about it "not being over" without understanding the context - the initial response to this virus (lockdowns, social distancing etc) was to stop people dying and stop the NHS being overwhelmed. The Government's initial plan was to allow us all to catch the virus until we achieved herd immunity - this quickly changed when they realised how fatal the virus was to so many people.

The vaccine changed things and whilst people still die of covid, there is a key element missing to all of the statistics - context.

The "people in hospital" numbers are made up of 2 factors - 1) Person in hospital & 2) person in hospital who tests positive for covid. The key part here being that even if someone is in hospital for a hip replacement and they test positive, they are counted in the figures.

The "deaths" numbers are anyone who dies within 28 of a positive test, regardless of the cause of death (unless it was significant trauma) - so you have a 90 yo cancer patient who dies of a heart attack but recorded as a covid death because he/she had a positive test 4 weeks ago.

The ONS stats are wildly speculative. They had a small sample size and simply model it upwards to provide this "1 in 17" statistic without applying any logic. Even if you look at the Govt figures, they are saying approximately 25,000 people are testing positive per day, so apply 1 in 17 to that and they are saying 25,000 out of 425,000 people tested positive - what about the other 60 odd million?

Lastly, the figures that are released lack context - how do we know that 125 people a day dying of covid is high or low? How many people die of 'flu or the common cold?

I'm not saying covid isn't serious and as someone who knows 2 people who died of it I know the heartache it can bring, but it's time to be realistic about this virus and what we need to do to live with it

Agree entirely with your post . The stats they are using and the way they interpret is just confusing and quite uninformative really.

 

[Nacho]

Unfortunately, I had it bad. I was in bed for three weeks and ended up in hospital, but thankfully, I was not put on a ventilator.

It took me over a year to recover.

As for my wife, she had mild symptoms for a day and was fine, so I guess it all depends how susceptible you are.

I believe it's true that generally women suffer from corona viruses less than men. I've been with my wife for over a decade and every time we both get a cold I have it for at least a month if not 2 or 3 and she has it for a few days. It was the same when we got covid.

Sorry to hear about it taking a year to recover that must have been in a pain in the arse.

 

[marcusblackcat]

Agreed. People talk about it "not being over" without understanding the context - the initial response to this virus (lockdowns, social distancing etc) was to stop people dying and stop the NHS being overwhelmed. The Government's initial plan was to allow us all to catch the virus until we achieved herd immunity - this quickly changed when they realised how fatal the virus was to so many people.

The vaccine changed things and whilst people still die of covid, there is a key element missing to all of the statistics - context.

The "people in hospital" numbers are made up of 2 factors - 1) Person in hospital & 2) person in hospital who tests positive for covid. The key part here being that even if someone is in hospital for a hip replacement and they test positive, they are counted in the figures.

The "deaths" numbers are anyone who dies within 28 of a positive test, regardless of the cause of death (unless it was significant trauma) - so you have a 90 yo cancer patient who dies of a heart attack but recorded as a covid death because he/she had a positive test 4 weeks ago.

The ONS stats are wildly speculative. They had a small sample size and simply model it upwards to provide this "1 in 17" statistic without applying any logic. Even if you look at the Govt figures, they are saying approximately 25,000 people are testing positive per day, so apply 1 in 17 to that and they are saying 25,000 out of 425,000 people tested positive - what about the other 60 odd million?

Lastly, the figures that are released lack context - how do we know that 125 people a day dying of covid is high or low? How many people die of 'flu or the common cold?

I'm not saying covid isn't serious and as someone who knows 2 people who died of it I know the heartache it can bring, but it's time to be realistic about this virus and what we need to do to live with it

Absolutely spot on. Particularly the point about flu or the cold. Statistically speaking it’s easy to scaremonger. Very easy to say that it’s a high death toll per day. So why don’t we report those same numbers for every disease out there? Instead of just cancer and the like. Even cancer deaths are not made public by the news. Just, seemingly,COVID. 125 from a cohort of almost 2000. Just over 1 in 20. And, as you rightly say, did these all have Covid as an actual cause?

cuple thus with the fact that the death rate in 2021, when lockdowns were relaxed, dropped by almost 10% compared to 2020. None of this is reported by the press. Just the “we’ll make it sound scary when it’s just another flu variant we’re stuck with”

 

[COYCS]

I have had Covid this past week, neither my wife or l have had it before. A week ago yesterday l was feeling very tired and my wife guess l may have Covid, done a test which was positive, still positive yesterday but faint line, and my wife has been negative throughout.
Tiredness has been the main struggle.

 

[TopCat.]

Tiredness has been the main struggle.

I found that too. Both times I was whacked for a few weeks after. My wife had it a couple weeks back and is still struggling.

 

[mustyfrog]

I had Covid 7 weeks ago after 2 jabs and a booster, I am 63, was not good when I woke up for 1l2 hr then 5pm for another 1l2 hr, apart from that I was fine, had my 2nd booster on saturday, everyone is going to get it, the degree it does damage, no clue - underlying medical probelms, number of jabs one has had, by the way I am in Australia

 

[rooch 3]

Agreed. People talk about it "not being over" without understanding the context - the initial response to this virus (lockdowns, social distancing etc) was to stop people dying and stop the NHS being overwhelmed. The Government's initial plan was to allow us all to catch the virus until we achieved herd immunity - this quickly changed when they realised how fatal the virus was to so many people.

The vaccine changed things and whilst people still die of covid, there is a key element missing to all of the statistics - context.

The "people in hospital" numbers are made up of 2 factors - 1) Person in hospital & 2) person in hospital who tests positive for covid. The key part here being that even if someone is in hospital for a hip replacement and they test positive, they are counted in the figures.

The "deaths" numbers are anyone who dies within 28 of a positive test, regardless of the cause of death (unless it was significant trauma) - so you have a 90 yo cancer patient who dies of a heart attack but recorded as a covid death because he/she had a positive test 4 weeks ago.

The ONS stats are wildly speculative. They had a small sample size and simply model it upwards to provide this "1 in 17" statistic without applying any logic. Even if you look at the Govt figures, they are saying approximately 25,000 people are testing positive per day, so apply 1 in 17 to that and they are saying 25,000 out of 425,000 people tested positive - what about the other 60 odd million?

Lastly, the figures that are released lack context - how do we know that 125 people a day dying of covid is high or low? How many people die of 'flu or the common cold?

I'm not saying covid isn't serious and as someone who knows 2 people who died of it I know the heartache it can bring, but it's time to be realistic about this virus and what we need to do to live with it

The figures have always been flawed mate, but some people still lapped them up

 

[TopCat.]

The figures have always been flawed mate, but some people still lapped them up

Agreed, but it's especially annoying that certain outlets are using these numbers to suggest restrictions might come back in, or summer holidays could be at risk etc

 

[gelders pie]

Agreed, but it's especially annoying that certain outlets are using these numbers to suggest restrictions might come back in, or summer holidays could be at risk etc

It's becoming scary that individuals in organisations and the media, desperate to have their moment of say or producing a good headline grabber, will push everyone ( if they haven't already) to the point of '' we aren't listening to anything''. -- and that will include important genuine advice or information from genuine sources.

 

[rooch 3]

It's becoming scary that individuals in organisations and the media, desperate to have their moment of say or producing a good headline grabber, will push everyone ( if they haven't already) to the point of '' we aren't listening to anything''. -- and that will include important genuine advice or information from genuine sources.

Have they released figures of the hordes that were going to die because it was hot for 2 days?

 

[gelders pie]

Have they released figures of the hordes that were going to die because it was hot for 2 days?

No , because guess what, the up front mouths who give us these predictions , when proven wrong quickly become invisible and anonymous

 

[rooch 3]

No , because guess what, the up front mouths who give us these predictions , when proven wrong quickly become invisible and anonymous

Has any petrol stations closed down yet because of our ban why will nobody else join in? They must be much wealthier than they try to make out.

 

[gelders pie]

Has any petrol stations closed down yet because of our ban why will nobody else join in? They must be much wealthier than they try to make out.

From what we are told , half the population are struggling to pay for fuel to get to work. Hmm, look at the queues at Dover. They reckoned that last weekend would be record breaking for start of school holidays getting away -- they said 18.5 miilion ( more than half of Britains cars ) would be on the roads for holidays, weekend breaks and excursions. Long distance pleasure use. Perhaps a lot of these tanks have been filled with the first £325 installment which was supposed to be to help with the grocery bill

 

[SnakeEyes]

I've got it atm. My second dose of it. This time has been worse than the first. But I think that's down to the likely varient.

 

[gelders pie]

Have they released figures of the hordes that were going to die because it was hot for 2 days?

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[COYCS]

I found that too. Both times I was whacked for a few weeks after. My wife had it a couple weeks back and is still struggling.

It does seem to be a recurring theme

 

[rooch 3]

From what we are told , half the population are struggling to pay for fuel to get to work. Hmm, look at the queues at Dover. They reckoned that last weekend would be record breaking for start of school holidays getting away -- they said 18.5 miilion ( more than half of Britains cars ) would be on the roads for holidays, weekend breaks and excursions. Long distance pleasure use. Perhaps a lot of these tanks have been filled with the first £325 installment which was supposed to be to help with the grocery bill

I’ve also been trying to get people to ditch one electric/gas company, not worried which one , I’m with Eon but am quite happy to kick it into touch. No takers, so my sympathy is zero, can’t be arsed with the moaning sods anymore.

 

[gelders pie]

I’ve also been trying to get people to ditch one electric/gas company, not worried which one , I’m with Eon but am quite happy to kick it into touch. No takers, so my sympathy is zero, can’t be arsed with the moaning sods anymore.

I'm with Eon too. My new tariff from sept. shows electricity cost doubling or so (expected) . But my daily charge is going up 125 %.. I asked what their justification was for such a rise on daily charge. First answer was just a list of what the daily charge is used for
Standing charges cover: 1) Keeping your house connected to the UK energy network.2).Using the pipes and wires across the country that carry the energy needed to power your home 3)Commitments to reducing CO2 emissions to combat climate change 4)Government initiatives to help people unable to afford energy (like the Warm Home Discount)
I replied that that was just saying how it was used , no reason given for increase.
I said '' I think the public would agree --

1) keeping us connected-- we are connected in the same way regardless of wholesale price, We are not connected 125% better.

2) Using the pipes and wires -- Same electricity, same usage, regardless of its cost. We haven't been given or are using 125% more pipes or wires.

3) Commitments to climate change -- Yes we all want to save the planet --but your investments with our money will not be increasing 125%

4} Govt helping other people (easy to do when using other peoples money) -- this has not increased. If it had increased 125% the govt would have been shouting it from the hilltops . Simply no reason to take more of our money pretending it's being passed to govt.

Therefore, no justification for 125% increase other than your company E.On has utilised the energy and cost of living situation to jump on the profiteering bandwagon and hide money grabbing behind something else.

In addition he said that they had to take on the obligations of customers taken on from other bust companies, So we are paying for failed businesses.

Now I thought Ofgem were there to look after our interests. But apparently they are a govt dept who work alongside and with Eon to set the prices ''on a business basis'' and allow the daily charge to follow the wholesale product price. They are allowing the electric companies to add 125% pretending that money is being spent on certain things whilst in reality it's a good guess to assume it's going straight into profits.