Actually, those who are right changed my mind, because when this first came out I didn’t know what to think. I had friends who had it and were fine, I lost two who caught it and died pretty damn quick. I agree with the people who know what they’re talking about. I’d disagree with them if evidence was presented that discredited them. You always present me as this immovable object who doesn’t want to listen to all sides, it’s unfair of you to assume I don’t consider them all before coming to a conclusion, as I’m sure you do. And even when I have reached a conclusion, if it turns out to be wrong or inaccurate, I’m happily corrected or I’ll change my view. I’m not the Pope, I’ve never considered myself infalliable.
You're not the only one holding that view, you're just the only one (so far) who has the energy to argue with people who won't change their minds regardless and would put more store in stuff they'v eread on Facebook than actual, you know, scientists who are experts in their fields. It's reminiscent of the climate change debate when some people would put more store in TV weather presenters than actual climatologists.
It’s a lobby that pays people to come out with narratives that counter Covid measures. Everything from crap memes to medical papers. 5.3 million U.K. social media subscribers are to anti vax materials. It co-opted the “new wellness” movement. Hell, they even got to Russell Brand. It’s amazing that nearly all of it can be traced back to a relative handful of individuals. Remember “Plandemic”, the movie? Probably not. But it got tens of millions of views. It was based on really bad science and featured stock footage of a raid claiming a woman’s house was being raided by authorities for being a “whistleblower”. But it made people money, and that’s what drives that industry.
Actually, it’s the exact same methodology used in climate denial. And in tobacco promotion. And in fossil fuel lobbies. The bit about people preferring Tv presenters to scientists is spot on; the BBC has a bias towards politicians. When they have a discussion on climate, they’ll often not ask a climatologist, they’ll instead interview the incumbent Environment Minister.
I get my views by reading the scientific papers, and talking directly to those investigating the issues.
Scientists, experts in their field, told my son to take the Modena vaccine and then two days after he'd had his dose, said that he shouldn't and banned it for his age range due to evidence of increased health risk. Now scientists where I live have stated that no one under 50 with no underlying conditions should be taking any more vaccines, whereas in England and the US, many are on their 5th dosage now. Which science should the public follow? Or does science alter depending on human drawn borders? I have no knowledge of vaccines, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I believe in modern science, but I question whether the western world followed the science or followed the herd. Regarding climate change, you're right... It's all part of the culture wars where many get dragged to the extremes and turn on each other. But then strange how Chinese money is backing many universities and research facilities in the west, yet ignoring their scientists' findings and global production and energy usage is increasingly centering to that part of Asia.. The lack of trust in authorities and 'science' is generated more from the constant u-turns and spurious claims, rather than someone questioning it on twitter.
Science is not an exact science and the best we've got ( & it will make mistakes) and unlike ideologies does update it's evidence / opinions The decisions to implement are political / ideological / reactionary / other...
In which case, why should it be wrong for many to be cynical or disagree with the findings. If many are so convinced and adamant of the findings, why should they care that some want it questioned and examined. Or is it that they've taken a side, gone to the extreme and won't tolerate it being questioned? Two sides of the same coin. Regarding climate change, very few actually deny the change. But many question the extrapolated conclusions of the effects and causes. The same with covid - the vast majority agreed that the virus was a huge global problem, but not necessarily with the political and social reaction. Instead the focus is on the 0.01% who refuse to accept the virus existed or the climate is changing.
This is the problem, because what applies to one country doesn't necessarily apply to another. I'd be wary of any scientist who works for the government because of political bias, but something that works in, say Australia cannot then be applied to somewhere like Belgium or Portugal. What needs to be clear to the public is the fundamental findings, so that any elements of doubt aren't taken advantage of by chancers. It's great that people ask questions, but the fact that people do ask questions suggests that the scientific community aren't being clear enough.
I refer you back to one of my previous posts. https://www.not606.com/threads/covid-19-restrictions-have-done-one.387577/page-419#post-16627196
Widower of BBC presenter who died from jab has 'no alternative' but to file suit against AstraZeneca Britain's medical regulator recommended under-30s should get an alternative to the AstraZeneca vaccine in early April when it became clear that younger people were at greater risk of the clots — but it did not widen the advice to under-40s until May 7. Mr Dudley's GP said that given his age, lack of underlying conditions and the medical advice at the time, it was appropriate to give him AstraZeneca's jab. A medic who treated the father-of-two in hospital following the clot told the inquest it was 'fair to say' he would still be alive if he was given a different vaccine. Coroner Tanyka Rawden recorded his cause of death as a bleed on the brain, caused by the vaccine Jack Hurn, 26 please log in to view this image Jack Hurn, 26, died less than two weeks after receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine in June 2021. An inquest heard he was told there was no Pfizer jab in stock and was given out-of-date information in relation to blood clot risks associated with the vaccine , from Redditch, died from 'catastrophic' blood clots on his brain two weeks after receiving the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine. The 26-year-old graduate died in June 2021, less than two weeks after receiving the jab at a Dudley vaccine centre. A week-long inquest at Coroner's Court heard that a GP informed Mr Hurn the risk of blood clots on the brain for his age group was one in 250,000, when guidance had actually estimated it to be one in 50,000. The inquest heard the automotive design graduate chose to go ahead with the first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine on May 29, 2021, after being told there was no Pfizer jab in stock. Mr Hurn, originally from Devon, began suffering with headaches within days and died on June 11 at Birmingham's Queen Elizabeth Hospital despite emergency surgery. Doctors allegedly described him as having 'catastrophic' blood clots on the brain. Emma Brown, HM Area Coroner for Birmingham and Solihull, that Mr Hurn's death was 'due to a rare but recognised complication' of the vaccination. Kelly Dunley, 38 please log in to view this image Kelly Dunley, pictured, died weeks after having the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine, something a coroner has ruled contributed to her death , 38, tragically died after developing a deep vein thrombosis - a type of blood clot - after receiving the Covid jab, a coroner ruled. Ms Dunley, from Stoke-on-Trent, had her first jab on March 2, 2021. She was rushed to Royal Stoke University Hospital on May 17, 2021, after collapsing. Despite the best efforts of medics she died at the hospital, and a post-mortem found a blood clot in her leg had travelled to her lung. The examination also found she had a laceration to her liver, which was likely caused by the attempted resuscitation, and an abnormal spleen. A coroner ruled last year that her death was a pulmonary embolism caused by deep vein thrombosis and linked to 'complications of the vaccine'. Oli Akram Hoque, 26 please log in to view this image Trainee solicitor Oli Akram Hoque, 26, received a dose of the vaccine on March 19, 2021 before suffering increasingly 'excruciating' headaches from Ilford, died from a rare blood clot weeks after taking the AstraZeneca vaccine, an inquest heard. The trainee solicitor received a dose of the vaccine on March 19, 2021 before suffering increasingly 'excruciating' headaches. His condition deteriorated and resulted in his death at Queen's Hospital in Romford, on April 15, 2021 - one month before his 27th birthday. His father told the court that Mr Hoque had gone to the Urgent Treatment Centre located at the Royal London Hospital ten days before his death on April 5. However, he said his son was was 'discharged without proper diagnosis or investigation' with an injection to stop him being sick. Mr Hogue 'requested a scan to be carried out but his request was declined'. He later had a seizure and was taken to Queen's Hospital where a CT scan identified a blood clot. He was then put on blood thinners and later died in hospital. Mr Hogue's only medical history was a childhood asthma diagnosis with no mention of migraines Britain's medical regulator recommended under-30s should get an alternative to the AstraZeneca vaccine in early April when it became clear that younger people were at greater risk of the clots. Nicola Weideling, 45 please log in to view this image Nicola Weideling died of a stroke caused by the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab. She is pictured with her husband, Kurt died of a stroke caused by the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab. The 45-year-old Oxford UniversityPress executive suffered catastrophic bleeds on her brain after being hospitalised with blood clots caused by the vaccine which she had received 24 days before dying, a coroner has ruled. She had complained to her GP about neck pain but she was not diagnosed with vaccine side effects until she was taken to hospital with several other symptoms of blood clots. A post-mortem examination showed Mrs Weideling died on May 15, 2021 after suffering a stroke caused by Vaccine-Induced Immune Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT), otherwise known as blood clots caused by a vaccine. Alpa Tailor, 35 please log in to view this image Alpa Tailor, 35, fell ill just over a week after getting her first dose of the coronavirus jab in March 2021 Healthy mother-of-two , 35, died from blood clots on her brain caused by the AstraZeneca vaccine, a coroner ruled. Ms Tailor fell ill just over a week after getting her first dose of the coronavirus jab in March 2021. St Pancras Coroner's Court heard that Ms Tailor was complaining of a headache before she suffered stroke-like symptoms including including slurred speech and a facial droop. She was rushed to hospital on April 8 and quickly diagnosed with the then-new condition known as vaccine-induced immune thrombocytopenia and thrombosis (VITT). Ms Tailor had surgery to relieve pressure on her brain and whilst doctors initially thought she had responded well to treatment, on April 22, medics discovered she was suffering from massive brain hemorrhaging. Tragically, the devoted mother - who had the jab to 'protect her family' - then died and a post-mortem examination found she had suffered multiple brain clots. Risk of blood clots in AstraZeneca's Covid vaccine Safety concerns over AstraZeneca's jab first emerged in January 2021, and prompted EU nations to shun the British-made vaccine en masse. AstraZeneca's jab is thought to cause blood clots in one in 100,000 people. Johnson & Johnson's single-dose jab — which works in a very similar way — has also been linked to the same complication. However, regulators have not spotted any consistent trend between Pfizer's mRNA vaccine and blood clots. Its jab — linked to a very rare kind of heart inflammation — is based on pioneering technology. Several countries in Europe stopped using the Oxford-designed AstraZeneca jab in March 2021 after a series of blood clots, with younger people facing a slightly higher risk. Regulators analysed the data and found benefits vastly outweighed the risk for most. In the absence of doubt, UK health chiefs opted against routinely offering the jab to under-30s on April 7, 2021, who face a vanishingly rare risk of dying from Covid. In a Spanish research study, Pfizer's vaccine was found to be just as likely to trigger blood clots as AstraZeneca's. Since findings first emerged, there has been concern about the vaccine and its side effects, which experts fear has fuelled hesitancy among some groups in the UK and overseas.
Or the same one depending on the context they want to promote. People really shouldn't rely on journalists for news or information.
Well if 'Doctor' Eli David says so ... I'm certainly not going to listen to any medical doctors if some geezer with a PHd in Computer Science has a different view.
From the telegraph Covid vaccine injury victims ‘betrayed’ as payout claims plagued with delays Hundreds of people left with ‘debilitating’ conditions wait more than a year for their applications for compensation to be assessed ByLizzie Roberts, HEALTH CORRESPONDENT17 April 2023 • 8:00pm Hundreds of people have been waiting more than a year for their Covid-19 vaccine injury claims to be assessed, new figures have revealed. Claimants to the Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme (VDPS) are entitled to a one-off payment of £120,000 if they have been left severely disabled as a result of receiving certain vaccines. More than 4,000 applications relating to Covid jabs have been made since November 2021, 63 of which have been approved. But 512 claims received more than 12 months ago have not yet reached an outcome, according to details released under Freedom of Information laws. Some 144 received more than 18 months ago are also yet to receive a result. The Telegraph previously reported that claims for injuries under the scheme are being judged on a threshold set before the Second World Warfor wounded soldiers. Claimants to the scheme must be deemed to be “60 per cent disabled” as a result of the jab to receive the payout - a threshold lawyers, campaigners and victims have called “antiquated and unfair”. It has also emerged that, as of the beginning of April, no claim has received a face-to-face assessment to determine eligibility for the payment. The NHS Business Service Authority (NHSBSA) took over the running of the scheme in November 2021 from the Department for Work and Pensions and increased the number of staff processing claims 20-fold. Non-Covid claims take around six months to investigate and process, but Covid-related claims “may take longer”, according to the NHSBSA. Sarah Moore, a partner at law firm Hausfeld, who is leading a group legal action against AstraZeneca related to Covid vaccine injuries, said the VDPS is “failing” those affected by vaccine injury. She told The Telegraph: “Assessing vaccine causation requires specialist medical skill. “Quantifying percentage disablement should, at the very least, be based on physical, in-person, assessment by a qualified expert. “These are complex assessments of pivotal importance to the individuals involved. Yet the VDPS setup appears to be aimed at prioritising cost-cutting over accuracy. This is another example of how the VDPS is failing those it is supposed to support.” More than 144.7 million Covid-19 jabs have been administered in England, and 59 registered deaths involving Covid vaccines, according to the Office for National Statistics. Louise Raine, 44, had three Covid-19 jabs in 2021 and began experiencing “debilitating and unexplained” symptoms soon after her first vaccination. After multiple scans and assessments, through both the NHS and private doctors, the mother of three was diagnosed with Postural tachycardia syndrome (Pots) - a disorder of the nervous system that affects the regular functions of the body, such as heart rate and blood pressure - linked to the Covid jab. Ms Raine said the condition affects “every part” of her life, including her performance at work, what she can eat, and her ability to go out with friends or go on walks. “Everything has to be carefully considered and planned and effort put in to achieve every sort of task that would have been, once upon a time, second nature,” she said. The NHS project manager from Richmond, North Yorks, applied for the VDPS in May 2022. She is still waiting for an outcome almost a year later. Her parents had to remortgage their home last year to support her medical treatments, she said. 'I've been let down' After receiving no response from the VDPS, she contacted Rishi Sunak, the Prime Minister and her local MP, in January for help. The Prime Minister personally wrote to the NHSBSA on Ms Raine’s behalf about the delay, which assured her she would receive a reply within four weeks. But three months later, she is still waiting. “I was really excited to have the vaccine to start with, I wanted things to go back to normal, I wanted my kids to see their grandparents. I’ve always been very pro-vaccine,” said. “I've been let down and I feel quite betrayed.” The VDPS was originally set up in the 1970s to restore confidence in government-recommended vaccinations following concerns amongst parents about the whooping cough jab. It was proposed that where vaccination is recommended by the Government, it should be liable for serious and lasting damage suffered by anyone as a result of the vaccine. “A condition has been triggered in me by the vaccine that I’m still not able to get any support for,” said Ms Raine. “I have no faith that they will award me because I don’t feel that they want to.” The NHSBSA was contacted for comment.
