Maybe the **** job first time around was because they responded to knee jerk reactionaries mythering over something that's unlikely to be a serious consideration? I reckon there should be some disdain at the way places like Meaux Abbey has been allowed to decay, despite it's history and key role in the development of this area.
Just typical of the HCC. Always take the easy option. I hope that it stays the way it is. As for the dossers and litter louts, so what ? Plenty of both elsewhere in the city centre.
I had thought the point of this thread was to offer your thoughts on the site being filled in with concrete, whether you're young, old, blunt or mythering; it would seem that's not enough, as you must have another solution to it's future, other than the immediately obvious. There was a great historic occasion, a political and social watershed, enacted on that spot; these are the remnants of the stones that supported the resolute barrier of those peoples principles. Why would anyone concern themselves with future development when men had the wit to make that stand; surely that same wit can embrace such an iconic landmark in their deliberations to regenerate the area around it? To think any resistance to its obliteration can be sullied by pathetic reference to youth culture, similarly distressed ruins (not so historically important though) or some circular argument about everyone having to have a solution is simply argumentative nonsense. Destroying this site is something I would expect of IS, not a city that has so much to rebuild, beyond bricks and mortar. You make your point well.
I have to agree, Fez. Its destruction should never have been considered, never mind suggested. If they haven't got the means and wherewithal to do it right, they should leave it alone until they have.
I'm hopeful that something worthy will be done with the site. But let's be clear, if the hole is filled in then nothing will be destroyed. It'll still be there, better preserved and protected than it currently is in fact. Might even be for the best while we wait for that worthy proposal.
Beverley Gate could be saved from burial by 'historic landmark' listing please log in to view this image THE remains of Hull's Beverley Gate could be officially listed as an historic landmark. The excavated ruins of the medieval defences are currently at the centre of a debate over their future. Alternative options to covering the former entrance to the Old Town as part of a looming facelift of the city centre are being examined by the city council. Now Heritage England, the national conservation service, has confirmed it has received an application for it to be designated either as a listed structure or as a scheduled ancient monument. If approved, such a move would place stricter limits on any future redevelopment proposals. In a letter to Mike Parkinson, one of the organisers of a campaign to keep the walls visible, Heritage England's historic places advisor for Yorkshire Craig Broadwith said: "The archaeological remains found within the amphitheatre have no statutory designation – they are not a scheduled monument or a listed structure – although they are 'undesignated heritage assets' as they have archaeological and historic significance and are very important to the people of Hull. "As such, Historic England's remit is limited to advising and commenting on proposals affecting them. "An application has been made for Beverley Gate to be designated either as a listed structure, or as a scheduled monument, and this application is currently being considered by Historic England's listing group. "In due course, they will make a recommendation to the Secretary of State for Culture Media and Sport, who will then decide whether to accept or reject this recommendation. At this point, no recommendation has been made." Mr Broadwith said Historic England was "not opposed" to reburial, but had asked the council to reconsider a previous proposal to install glazing over the old walls because similar schemes elsewhere had been unsuccessful. "We are currently in discussion with council officers, about alternative approaches to the treatment of the Beverley Gate and town wall foundations. "At this stage it would be inappropriate to go into further detail until these discussions are concluded." http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Beve...tory-27839114-detail/story.html#ixzz3mYPDZon5
Councillor Stephen Bayes has just confirmed on Burnsy's show that Beverley Gate definitely won't be filled in and new plans are now being considered.
I think that this has the whiff of "spin". How to engage the public... Stage one tell them something bad could happen Stage two tell them that you have listened and now the bad thing will not happen Stage three do what you really planned to do all along
There was never a realistic plan to fill it in, but people have grumbled about it as it is for long enough. A lot of these 'campaigns' seem to be villagers with pitchforks that haven't looked too close at the reality.
It seems that one of the new options being considered still involves filling it in... angus young @angus_young61 New options for Beverley Gate - keep northern section visible with improved access or fill in and build mini-replica at ground level.
It shouldn't be either/or, keeping the whole amphitheatre is as **** as filling all of it in. It needs a new modern design showcasing the old gate in a smaller excavation/sunken garden and with a new ground level attraction telling the story.
There'll be bundle of suggestions put forward from all sorts of quarters that have to be seen to have been given consideration. None of the options will please everyone.
I just hope it really doesn't delay the city centre revamp. Let's not let the past get in the way of our future.
