Off Topic Coronavirus

[realred1952]

Covid sceptic who was hospitalised with the virus and went on to urge other people to get vaccinated has died.
Marcus Birks, 40, from Leek, Staffordshire, died on Friday leaving his family "shattered", his wife said.
He was admitted to the intensive care unit at Royal Stoke University Hospital earlier this month.
The musician had told the BBC he was "shocked" to have become so unwell with the virus because he "rarely got ill".
He said information had been skewed by social media and conspiracy theorists and he had not had the vaccine.

 

[BCFCRob]

Covid sceptic who was hospitalised with the virus and went on to urge other people to get vaccinated has died.
Marcus Birks, 40, from Leek, Staffordshire, died on Friday leaving his family "shattered", his wife said.
He was admitted to the intensive care unit at Royal Stoke University Hospital earlier this month.
The musician had told the BBC he was "shocked" to have become so unwell with the virus because he "rarely got ill".
He said information had been skewed by social media and conspiracy theorists and he had not had the vaccine.

It's so sad and I've seen SO many of these. No one deserves this for simple idiocy, but this shows the price some people pay. And their families too...

I still can't fathom how anyone can think a vaccine is more dangerous than actually getting Covid when the numbers are so one-sided.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

It's so sad and I've seen SO many of these. No one deserves this for simple idiocy, but this shows the price some people pay. And their families too...

I still can't fathom how anyone can think a vaccine is more dangerous than actually getting Covid when the numbers are so one-sided.

Lots more people than you think that have died after having the vaccine that's not been reported by the general or mainstream media ....even quite a few that I've heard about locally, whom had no known medical issues... ...these are rarely reported....wonder why that is??

 

[realred1952]

Lots more people than you think that have died after having the vaccine that's not been reported....

deaths recorded now state wheter jabbed .........…. What you need to dial into is % ............
Remember 6% may not be able to develop or retain anti bodies even after 2 jabs. [ have ignored this calculation ]
the number of people jabbed compared to the un jabbed is 92% [ 52,000,000 peeps over 18 ] qualifying number
the number unjabbed 8% is 9,000,000

the last figures I can find are 2 death's in 105 2 jabs [ 1.9% ] [ health problems and age ] 7 deaths in 105 1 jab [ 6.7% ] [ no real specifics ] & 92 were unjabbed [ 87.6% ] and 4 under 18 [3.8% ]

take 43,000,000 had 2 doses = for every 105 deaths 2 will be in this group! 43000000/105= 409, 524 instances /groups = 819,408 likely to die seems a lot but that was in 1 day so will take 1,122 years !!!!! [ opposed to 274 years for unjabbed ]

at present rate, assume [ high side ] 240 ave deaths daily since start: come end DEC 2021 46,000,000 could be 2 jabbed with not many unjabbed left to die …. !
Yesterday 31/08/2021 ... 207 deaths reported


Government figures count people who died within 28 days of testing positive for coronavirus - and that total is now more than 132,000.

According to the latest ONS figures, the UK has now seen more than 156,000 deaths - that's all those deaths where coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate even if the person had not been tested for the virus.

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The third measure counts all deaths over and above the usual number at the time of year - that figure was almost 122,000 to 20 August.
In total, there were 11,519 deaths registered in the week to 20 August, which was 11% above the five-year average.
Of the total deaths, 654 were related to coronavirus, two more than in the previous week.
There have now been more deaths involving Covid than "excess" deaths, which means non-Covid deaths must be below usual levels.
This could be because of a milder flu season - resulting from less travel and more social distancing - and because some people who might have died for other reasons had there been no pandemic, died of Covid.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

deaths recorded now state wheter jabbed .........…. What you need to dial into is % ............
Remember 6% may not be able to develop or retain anti bodies even after 2 jabs. [ have ignored this calculation ]
the number of people jabbed compared to the un jabbed is 92% [ 52,000,000 peeps over 18 ] qualifying number
the number unjabbed 8% is 9,000,000

the last figures I can find are 2 death's in 105 2 jabs [ 1.9% ] [ health problems and age ] 7 deaths in 105 1 jab [ 6.7% ] [ no real specifics ] & 92 were unjabbed [ 87.6% ] and 4 under 18 [3.8% ]

take 43,000,000 had 2 doses = for every 105 deaths 2 will be in this group! 43000000/105= 409, 524 instances /groups = 819,408 likely to die seems a lot but that was in 1 day so will take 1,122 years !!!!! [ opposed to 274 years for unjabbed ]

at present rate, assume [ high side ] 240 ave deaths daily since start: come end DEC 2021 46,000,000 could be 2 jabbed with not many unjabbed left to die …. !
Yesterday 31/08/2021 ... 207 deaths reported


Government figures count people who died within 28 days of testing positive for coronavirus - and that total is now more than 132,000.

According to the latest ONS figures, the UK has now seen more than 156,000 deaths - that's all those deaths where coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate even if the person had not been tested for the virus.

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The third measure counts all deaths over and above the usual number at the time of year - that figure was almost 122,000 to 20 August.
In total, there were 11,519 deaths registered in the week to 20 August, which was 11% above the five-year average.
Of the total deaths, 654 were related to coronavirus, two more than in the previous week.
There have now been more deaths involving Covid than "excess" deaths, which means non-Covid deaths must be below usual levels.
This could be because of a milder flu season - resulting from less travel and more social distancing - and because some people who might have died for other reasons had there been no pandemic, died of Covid.

And those that have died unexpectedly after receiving the vaccine due to clotting of the blood.....you won't see many reports and it's not because there aren't any.. There are more than we are led to believe...
Plus the 1000s of people dying from the delays of treatments to such illnesses such as Cancer, Heart failures, Kidney failures, lung & respiratory issues etc.. 1000's of these patients will also develop Covid and will become and used as another statistic of Covid.......I already know of quite a few that has fallen into that category .

 

[realred1952]

And those that have died unexpectedly after receiving the vaccine due to clotting of the blood.....you won't see many reports and it's not because there aren't any.. There are more than we are led to believe...
Plus the 1000s of people dying from the delays of treatments to such illnesses such as Cancer, Heart failures, Kidney failures, lung & respiratory issues etc.. 1000's of these patients will also develop Covid and will become and used as another statistic of Covid.......I already know of quite a few that has fallen into that category .

And those that have died unexpectedly after receiving the vaccine due to clotting of the blood …
I am fortunate that I have 3 family working 3 different hospitals … 2 friends that work in different hospitals … and 4 aquaintances that work in Southampton gen... Royal Berkshire Wales university hospital Neville hall hospital wales... none have ever treated blood clots or heard of patient after vaccine dying ……………

the latter part is way way off the mark …. although lung and respiratory is a certain recipe for a tough covid experience …! the 1000's of patients will also develop covid, ….. from the 1000's mentioned previously!!! will develop covid … gosh how many 10's of 000's are you saying!!! the only realistic point is that "patients will also develop Covid and will become and used as another statistic of Covid…"

We are all aware Covid has caused a world backlog of untreated patients [ when seriously ill some of these patients get care, admittedly when the hospital is not swollen to overflowing with patients dying of covid they would get treatment to try and avert that scenario .. that treatment bit like jabbing people to keep them out of hospital! ] amazingly 90 - 93% of those in covid wards are not jabbed.. stopping patients with other diseases from getting treatment!!!!!!
You live in a bad area your area seems to get all the things others don't ……….

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

And those that have died unexpectedly after receiving the vaccine due to clotting of the blood …
I am fortunate that I have 3 family working 3 different hospitals … 2 friends that work in different hospitals … and 4 aquaintances that work in Southampton gen... Royal Berkshire Wales university hospital Neville hall hospital wales... none have ever treated blood clots or heard of patient after vaccine dying ……………

the latter part is way way off the mark …. although lung and respiratory is a certain recipe for a tough covid experience …! the 1000's of patients will also develop covid, ….. from the 1000's mentioned previously!!! will develop covid … gosh how many 10's of 000's are you saying!!! the only realistic point is that "patients will also develop Covid and will become and used as another statistic of Covid…"

We are all aware Covid has caused a world backlog of untreated patients [ when seriously ill some of these patients get care, admittedly when the hospital is not swollen to overflowing with patients dying of covid they would get treatment to try and avert that scenario .. that treatment bit like jabbing people to keep them out of hospital! ] amazingly 90 - 93% of those in covid wards are not jabbed.. stopping patients with other diseases from getting treatment!!!!!!
You live in a bad area your area seems to get all the things others don't ……….

I do know of individual cases (local) regarding dying unexpectedly from complications after the vaccine, with no other medical issues and were perfectly well/normal before.

10s of 1000s of patients that are on the waiting list for the treatment of those major illnesses I mentioned, will undoubtedly reduce their chances of survival.
The 1000s of patients that I said would develop Covid, I should have included "or would test positive for Covid".. therefore becoming another statistic adding to the list..I was told of a patient that had weeks to live because of cancer and sent home for end of life Palliative care but 6 days before the patient died, tested positive for covid....The cause of death will include covid.....and will be added to the list..

 

[invermeremike]

Perhaps the doubters should try ivermectin which some in the Excited States of America have tried to ward off covid. Just in case you want to try it you should be livestock and have worms.

 

[AshtonRed]

I’m just glad he did not mention the washing and ironing fairies.

That’s me mate ,

 

[realred1952]

I do know of individual cases (local) regarding dying unexpectedly from complications after the vaccine, with no other medical issues and were perfectly well/normal before.

amazing that such a controversial occurrence, never makes the news [ been disproved cases in various parts of uk, where patient has not died made national headlines! ] cases means 2 or moreamazing how that was secret /kept from media.....

 

[BCFCRob]

Lots more people than you think that have died after having the vaccine that's not been reported by the general or mainstream media ....even quite a few that I've heard about locally, whom had no known medical issues... ...these are rarely reported....wonder why that is??

No. They haven't. Stop spreading lies.

If you can show any genuine numbers that have any sort of evidence to back them up that show the vaccine is even close to as dangerous as getting Covid then by all means share it. Otherwise it's dangerous rubbish.

I see Right Said Fred has just become yet another prominent anti-vaxxer who has inadvertently proved he cannot understand basic maths.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

No. They haven't. Stop spreading lies.

If you can show any genuine numbers that have any sort of evidence to back them up that show the vaccine is even close to as dangerous as getting Covid then by all means share it. Otherwise it's dangerous rubbish.

I see Right Said Fred has just become yet another prominent anti-vaxxer who has inadvertently proved he cannot understand basic maths.

Never said it was as dangerous, but there are a lot more than is being reported. Not spreading lies at all..I actually know of at least 2 cases that I’ve been informed about.. that died between 2 and 3 weeks after receiving the vaccine although it was not confirmed that the vaccine was the actual cause but had not had any known medical issues previously.. of course they will not be slapped about the media as will cause mayhem to the vaccination programme..
Just because you’ve not been made aware of it, doesn’t mean it’s not happening..

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

Lisa Shaw bbc presenter isn’t a lie..

 

[BCFCRob]

Lisa Shaw bbc presenter isn’t a lie..

That's fine. If you can show me where the vaccine has caused 133,000 deaths rather than 1 then maybe you'd have a point. Statistically, a few deaths here and there from it is to be expected. As it stands, I'd be amazed if there's even been 100.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

That's fine. If you can show me where the vaccine has caused 133,000 deaths rather than 1 then maybe you'd have a point. Statistically, a few deaths here and there from it is to be expected. As it stands, I'd be amazed if there's even been 100.

Can you show me evidence of 133,000 deaths where the cause was of COVID?
Will those include figures of people that were terminally ill of other causes but tested positive for covid?
Will you also include those that become terminally because of delayed treatment that also tested positive for covid?

 

[BCFCRob]

Can you show me evidence of 133,000 deaths where the cause was of COVID?
Will those include figures of people that were terminally ill of other causes but tested positive for covid?

No you're right, the number of excess deaths just magically coinciding with the total number of Covid deaths is just a complete and utter coincidence. No relevance there whatsoever. The real number of Covid deaths must be tiny and the rest of them just dropped dead by magic!

Covid deaths has a base to make an estimate. Where are your sources for vaccines? I've given you mine in this very post. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a while for your equivalent...

Will you also include those that become terminally because of delayed treatment that also tested positive for covid?

All the more reason to get the bloody jab! It's not getting it which is delaying treatment even more!

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

No you're right, the number of excess deaths just magically coinciding with the total number of Covid deaths is just a complete and utter coincidence. No relevance there whatsoever. The real number of Covid deaths must be tiny and the rest of them just dropped dead by magic!

Covid deaths has a base to make an estimate. Where are your sources for vaccines? I've given you mine in this very post. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a while for your equivalent...



All the more reason to get the bloody jab! It's not getting it which is delaying treatment even more!

So just assumptions and not hard evidence which you keep demanding. Just a base to make an estimate.
So back to the original question......out of the 133000 deaths reported....How many of those died of Covid?
Does that include the estimated deaths from patients (between 30 and 60,000 and counting) who were/are unable to receive treatments for other serious illnesses? due to measures taken, some will be waiting years, reducing the rate of survival for years to come. The effects from this alone will be enormous..

What facts & hard evidence are we given that the vaccine (along with regular boosters) does not have long term effects on people for years to come?
What facts & hard evidence is given, why healthy children between the ages of 12 and 15, that have very little danger of becoming ill with Covid, yet deemed to be persuaded by their parents (and will probably be frowned upon if they refuse by the mass) to have the vaccine?
I think we already know that even with nearly all of the population vaccinated, it can not be eradicated and reform in different variants...as with flu.
What facts & hard evidence do we have, where we go from here? Is it expected of the population, to be all vaccinated every 9 months including children or even babies?
I still think that the mass is under the illusion that by having the vaccine is protecting others from contracting covid rather than the actual benefit of reducing the symptoms or serious illness from Covid....There can not be any facts or hard evidence to suggest otherwise at such early stages.. without actually knowing or identifying what the virus is, to be able to eradicate it...
The fact is, at some point we will, (as with flu) need learn to live with it and stop all the over the top nonsense that's taken over our society and I fear there maybe more to come!.

NB 2017 -2018 excess deaths 50100......2020 excess deaths 75000

 

[BCFCRob]

So just assumptions and not hard evidence which you keep demanding. Just a base to make an estimate.

Using real data. I mean, I'm not a rocket scientist, but if I use real data to make my estimate on Covid deaths and you use absolutely zero data to make stupid claims on vaccine deaths, who is likely to be the most reliable? Me with actual data, or you with Facebook and an anecdote?

Does that include the estimated deaths from patients (between 30 and 60,000 and counting) who were/are unable to receive treatments for other serious illnesses? due to measures taken, some will be waiting years, reducing the rate of survival for years to come. The effects from this alone will be enormous..

I mean this is literally a pro for my argument, not yours. If we're delaying operations and treatment, then the best way to stop that is to get the vaccine. You're absolutely right, it will be an enormous impact. It's people like YOU that are meaning we have to delay treatments. No vaccine = more spread = less treatment that we can conduct. Don't give me that rubbish about caring about those who are ill if you're willingly part of the problem.

What facts & hard evidence are we given that the vaccine (along with regular boosters) does not have long term effects on people for years to come?

Only 200 years of scientific research and development on vaccines. Including ones that every single person in this forum will almost certainly have taken to no negative effect. What have you got?

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NB 2017 -2018 excess deaths 50100......2020 excess deaths 75000

The one time you use an actual stat and you use it incorrectly! You're either cherry picking a winter there (which of course is going to be comparatively higher than a calendar year) or using 2 years. And even with that cherry picking, you're STILL miles behind the Covid figures.

The real stats:
2018 UK excess deaths - 20,869
2020 UK excess deaths - ~79,000
- (in fact it passed 100,000 just a month later)
2020 UK Covid deaths - 77,195

Isn't it magic how the UK excess deaths and Covid deaths are very similar? Or maybe it's just a massive coincidence!

Regardless, no years come even close to 2020. If you plot calendar year excess deaths then 2020 sticks out by a mile and 2021 continues exactly the same.

You are utterly wrong. You have no stats to back up any of your claims, absolutely nothing at all, and your claims are actually dangerous. I just genuinely hope for your sake that you're not unlucky enough to catch it with no protection, and not stupid enough to try Invermectin or anything like that to 'treat' yourself.

 

[oneforthebristolcity]

Using real data. I mean, I'm not a rocket scientist, but if I use real data to make my estimate on Covid deaths and you use absolutely zero data to make stupid claims on vaccine deaths, who is likely to be the most reliable? Me with actual data, or you with Facebook and an anecdote?



I mean this is literally a pro for my argument, not yours. If we're delaying operations and treatment, then the best way to stop that is to get the vaccine. You're absolutely right, it will be an enormous impact. It's people like YOU that are meaning we have to delay treatments. No vaccine = more spread = less treatment that we can conduct. Don't give me that rubbish about caring about those who are ill if you're willingly part of the problem.



Only 200 years of scientific research and development on vaccines. Including ones that every single person in this forum will almost certainly have taken to no negative effect. What have you got?

This is literally you:

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The one time you use an actual stat and you use it incorrectly! You're either cherry picking a winter there (which of course is going to be comparatively higher than a calendar year) or using 2 years. And even with that cherry picking, you're STILL miles behind the Covid figures.

The real stats:
2018 UK excess deaths - 20,869
2020 UK excess deaths - ~79,000
- (in fact it passed 100,000 just a month later)
2020 UK Covid deaths - 77,195

Isn't it magic how the UK excess deaths and Covid deaths are very similar? Or maybe it's just a massive coincidence!

Regardless, no years come even close to 2020. If you plot calendar year excess deaths then 2020 sticks out by a mile and 2021 continues exactly the same.

You are utterly wrong. You have no stats to back up any of your claims, absolutely nothing at all, and your claims are actually dangerous. I just genuinely hope for your sake that you're not unlucky enough to catch it with no protection, and not stupid enough to try Invermectin or anything like that to 'treat' yourself.

I actually got my stats from ONS and downloaded the excel spreadsheet... I quoted what was there....maybe they're different wherever you look!! The extra deaths, nothing to do with those not being able to get treatment for illnesses such as Cancer or heart & lungs issues causing premature deaths thenDo we get the facts for that then?
Still no Hard fact evidence from you on all my questions just the usual reported blurb.. that you've been controlled to believe!!

Like I've said before, I keep my mind open and refuse to be sucked in by the general or mainstream media........Eventually there will be holes in all of this misleading, scaremongering, over the top hysteria along with ridiculous measures in place....

 

[realred1952]

Does that include the estimated deaths from patients (between 30 and 60,000 and counting) who were/are unable to receive treatments for other serious illnesses?

I think yuou need to calm down and reread, then reread again what you type ….. and not try inventing a myriad of misnomer scenario's ………… changing wording when you get picked up on it to make what you think / believe / hear? /read elsewhere …. to fit your box of thoughts.

the use of expansive figures like 30,000 to 60,000 shows a lot of doubt in that groupage.

It is a sad thing that people with other illnesses didn't get treatment whilst the dominant illness Covid was rampant. the same can be said about flu … when hospital beds are filled by winter flu victims , a lot of whom sadly pass on and have stopped x number from getting treatment for other life threatening illnesses.
A hospital in "our region" 90 mile radius, where a friend works drew straws to see who would continue with the day to treatment of pre covid patients ...and the who would go into Covid care / IC etc [ which unlike cancers and things needs isolation!... no jabs back then ]

You try and make a very bleak picture seem a lot lot worse... there is very simple figures stated on how they are apportioned like "within 28 days" … other figures on "previous 5 year average", all very easy to understand until you try and confuse them by adding "iffy numbers" … and different conspiracy plots ……

Fact of life ……………. born ……….. we die.. In between we exist to our abilities, work play and health. Health is not always within our control … 1 example … we get cancer, we heal or die sooner .. we get treatment and heals or puts off the fateful day.
Hospitals have been treating the ones that knowledge says may have a chance, in so much as they are in treatment and likely to benefit. A patient [ and usually they "forcast x time before the sad day, fairly accurately ] will possibly, and don't know for fact / or will state as fact ………….. get a stop on treatment. In covid / pandemic period it is easy to blame "lack of treatment due to … " as the cause they died, being family or relatives of the deceased, you say if only they had treatment they might be here ……………

The" banksy" cartoon above does seem to sum you up? !