Off Topic Coronavirus

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realred1952 said:
OK so gloves are coming off... as well as masks and shackles …. and a calculated risk is about to take place ………….humanity v the virus!

sir dithering hindsight adopts his jimmy opposite stance and says it is all wrong, we should all stay locked up [ that's after in the past few weeks dithering about it wrong to stop places opening or having a plan! ]


it was far worse than I predicted on the 5th June CURRENT FIGURES are in the 10's of 000's and likely to get worse! BUT the calculated risk is even with 100,000 cases hospital admissions are likely to be manageable and UNFORTUNATELY deaths will still be attributed to Covid [ although the health aspect may have caused the death in any case ]

2 jabs [ 1 jab ] still get it may cause a day or so in bed to get your breath back [ worst cases hospital ] … death very unlikely!
NO JABS.... for years and years I have lived in fear of the needle! In my hobbies and pursuits never feared death … although a prospect, because I and compatriots always did everything to keep safe and avoid unnecessary risks! However.. a miniscule little unseen by the naked eye virus will kill you.... [ as an aside as I type this 2 of my cctv cams are picking up 40 or 50 moth's .. blimey 2 mins and all gone! except 3 that have come in my open window bigger than a 10p and bluey grey ] …. and I was ringing up for a cancellation.
grand daughter said not having one .." I've had covid so immune" ...gulp .. son in law has had covid but wont have jab ..he is on the endangered list! I say to anyone who hasn't or wont good luck, the population needs thinning!

I hope all on here maintain a sensible attitude toward living with a potential killer … my wife retired from the nursing home a fair few months after due to, wanted to see it through [ care and light at end of tunnel for residents ] they all appreciated her stance and care in helping keep them safe hygiene etc ... and that is main aspect, WASH HANDS etc don't take risks !

passing shot … went into my local shop today to get some milk .. bloke in front said no need for a mask mate [ only 1 of 5 in shop including staff wearing one ] … my reply was WELL I on my way home, got a text, my mate has been rushed to hospital as he tested positive and couldn't breathe he was alright on Saturday in the pub, ... and I need some milk as might be laid up for a week as got a cough tight chest feel hot runny nose and …………………….. funny how 2 women suddenly put on masks and social distanced about 4 or 5m!!!! .. he didn't reply … bought his ***s and bar of chocolate.. didn't even give me a second glance ….
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I (a vaccinated I) returned to work this week after three weeks off work due to covid.

My work place can be viewed as a microcosm. Pre vaccination we experienced deaths and hospitalisation and this included the staff. In one area of the service (it is segregated into units) 60% of services users contracted covid, all were hospitalised, and 40% tragically died. In sections we had no cases. Post vaccination the service has experienced a further 30% of service users getting covid across the service, but no deaths and hospitalisation.

The death rate and hospitalisation rate the service is experiencing has clearly changed as it has in society due to vaccination.
 
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@oneforthebristolcity are you getting your Covid passport now?
If it comes into force that you can’t go to the games from October virtually means you need the first one this week.
PS I’m gutted as I miss the first game as I’m in insulation due to having a cortisone injection on the 4th August. Apparently it reduces your immune system even with the jab. So I’m going into isolation 7 days in front and 7 days post injection.
 
RedorDead said:
@oneforthebristolcity are you getting your Covid passport now?
If it comes into force that you can’t go to the games from October virtually means you need the first one this week.
PS I’m gutted as I miss the first game as I’m in insulation due to having a cortisone injection on the 4th August. Apparently it reduces your immune system even with the jab. So I’m going into isolation 7 days in front and 7 days post injection.
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Nah, I will watch it on Robins TV mate, I'm not playing their silly games.......Apparently Spain & Greece are looking to go into Amber + (a new one <doh>). Means even if you've had both jabs, you still have to isolate for 2 weeks on your return......and the control continues!!

Worth a watch..

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/uk-g...ech-london-freedom-rally_YuB4aQ7XFSctrFW.html
 
I wouldn’t be surprised if we hear in a few years time that senior Tory ministers have substantial investments in AZ, Pfizer and Moderna - plus some PPE manufacturers.
Probably got rid of their airline and hospitality investments just in time too no doubt.
Having said that, the hospitalisation and death rate seems to be down so the vaccines are doing some good.
 
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Reliant Robin TC2 said:
If this is the "freedom" rally where a former nurse stands up and calls for all NHS doctors and nurses who are "complicit" in this "fraud" to be tried and hung as they were at Nuremburg after the war then I think I'll give it a miss 1for!!
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One former nutty nurse verses the BBC and media scaremongering...common sense with choices are there to be heard mate....
 
RedorDead said:
Look at the people you are gathering information from. Looks like you’re being led by clever people <laugh><laugh>
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You carry on following the white fluff balls mate and do what they tell you if it makes you happy...makes no difference to me if you prefer to be controlled! :emoticon-0137-clapp Life choices...
 
oneforthebristolcity said:
You carry on following the white fluff balls mate and do what they tell you if it makes you happy...makes no difference to me if you prefer to be controlled! :emoticon-0137-clapp Life choices...
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The way I look at things, your Life choices would seem to make you more “controlled” than those of us who are double vaccinated! Despite some restrictions, we can now generally go to large events (Silverstone/Goodwood/large football matches) as well as travelling abroad, not only because our government demand travellers are jabbed but because more and more other countries now require it too.
I’m pretty sure that in the past you said (and please correct me if I’m wrong!) that the only reason you would get vaccinated was to enable you to go abroad. Do you now intend to stay in the UK for the rest of your life?
 
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Reliant Robin TC2 said:
The way I look at things, your Life choices would seem to make you more “controlled” than those of us who are double vaccinated! Despite some restrictions, we can now generally go to large events (Silverstone/Goodwood/large football matches) as well as travelling abroad, not only because our government demand travellers are jabbed but because more and more other countries now require it too.
I’m pretty sure that in the past you said (and please correct me if I’m wrong!) that the only reason you would get vaccinated was to enable you to go abroad. Do you now intend to stay in the UK for the rest of your life?
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Do you believe that everyone (millions) that doesn't have the vaccine won't be able to travel or go to large events? Even if jabbed, from some Countries on return (amber + & Red), they will still be required to quarntine for the best part of 2 weeks.......They will soon be asking for you to have booster jabs and more for different varients......Oh and special flu jabs.....and so it goes on......
 
oneforthebristolcity said:
Do you believe that everyone (millions) that doesn't have the vaccine won't be able to travel or go to large events? Even if jabbed, from some Countries on return (amber + & Red), they will still be required to quarntine for the best part of 2 weeks.......They will soon be asking for you to have booster jabs and more for different varients......Oh and special flu jabs.....and so it goes on......
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And the problem is?

Actually, yes, for the time being at least, I do believe that those unvaccinated will, effectively, have more restrictions put upon them! Until such time as the rest of the world has caught up with it’s vaccine programme there is likely to be some form of restriction.

Also, being double jabbed may mean that quarantine is not required upon return from abroad as long as individuals do daily lateral flow tests.

And yes, there will be different variants requiring booster jabs, exactly as the flu vaccine is adjusted every year to combat that. It may be that the two can be combined to allow just the one annual jab.
 
Reliant Robin TC2 said:
And the problem is?

Actually, yes, for the time being at least, I do believe that those unvaccinated will, effectively, have more restrictions put upon them! Until such time as the rest of the world has caught up with it’s vaccine programme there is likely to be some form of restriction.

Also, being double jabbed may mean that quarantine is not required upon return from abroad as long as individuals do daily lateral flow tests.

And yes, there will be different variants requiring booster jabs, exactly as the flu vaccine is adjusted every year to combat that. It may be that the two can be combined to allow just the one annual jab.
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Money talks mate, Countries that rely on tourism & Venues alike will change their stance when needs must... It's currently the main topic of media hype..and Britains way to recover the economy, that's been crippled since the start... Being jabbed IMO will change very little as you can still obtain & carry the virus, so will have to be tested anyway..
The idea of the jab is to protect yourself & the NHS from hospital admissions..Some people think otherwise!!!
 
oneforthebristolcity said:
Money talks mate, Countries that rely on tourism & Venues alike will change their stance when needs must... It's currently the main topic of media hype..and Britains way to recover the economy, that's been crippled since the start... Being jabbed IMO will change very little as you can still obtain & carry the virus, so will have to be tested anyway..
The idea of the jab is to protect yourself & the NHS from hospital admissions..Some people think otherwise!!!
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So what, in your opinion, is the idea of the jab if not to protect yourself and the NHS?
 
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So what, in your opinion, is the idea of the jab if not to protect yourself and the NHS?
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I'm saying that the Jab does not stop you from spreading it, so IMO, to stop people from events/venues etc..is totally wrong.....plus again IMO, it's not something that should be forced or frowned upon.....and now we have the mass, saying that children (the virus rarely affects) should also have the vaccine...again I think it's wrong.
I respect those wanting it and those that don't...Choice is key.
 
oneforthebristolcity said:
I'm saying that the Jab does not stop you from spreading it, so IMO, to stop people from events/venues etc..is totally wrong.....plus again IMO, it's not something that should be forced or frowned upon.....and now we have the mass, saying that children (the virus rarely affects) should also have the vaccine...again I think it's wrong.
I respect those wanting it and those that don't...Choice is key.
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I appreciate that the jab does not stop the spread of the infection, but ongoing research seems to indicate/suggest that, in general, it significantly reduces the effect of the virus, which, in itself, is obviously a good thing.

I can actually understand your concern about personal choice and I now think it’s getting to a point where many people, particularly those vaccinated, are beginning to think the same way.

Your comment about the masses wanting children vaccinated is interesting; I personally don’t think there are masses of people suggesting that, but it does open another discussion. For years, school children have been vaccinated against flu, either by nasal spray or injection, dependent upon age, and that is not specifically to protect them, but to protect the older populace or those susceptible to serious illness from flu. If one applies the same principle to covid, there should be no need to vaccinate kids!! I am not medically trained (other than being a qualified first aider!) so don’t know whether the same principle could be applied but I think it’s worth talking about.
 
oneforthebristolcity said:
I'm saying that the Jab does not stop you from spreading it, so IMO, to stop people from events/venues etc..is totally wrong.....plus again IMO, it's not something that should be forced or frowned upon.....and now we have the mass, saying that children (the virus rarely affects) should also have the vaccine...again I think it's wrong.
I respect those wanting it and those that don't...Choice is key.
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It severely reduces the chances of you spreading it though. Which is exactly why it's required for close-contact events.
 
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