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David Davis of all people, my, my.

Pretty safe to say that one of those letters is his then <laugh>

But yeah, a big hitter and formerly one of Boris' brexit henchmen.

Or was that under Theresa May ?
 
Pretty safe to say that one of those letters is his then <laugh>

But yeah, a big hitter and formerly one of Boris' brexit henchmen.

Or was that under Theresa May ?
He resigned as Brexit minister under May, but I can’t remember him showing dissent towards Johnson before.

The entire debacle makes his position untenable. It doesn’t matter what his own report comes back with, he’s missed the entire point. His staff, under his leadership had numerous parties under his roof, whilst the rest of the nation were largely respecting the rules we’d be given to help control the spread of the virus. They did as they liked and in doing so laughed in the faces of everyone who did the right thing.
 
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He resigned as Brexit minister under May, but I can’t remember him showing dissent towards Johnson before.

The entire debacle makes his position untenable. It doesn’t matter what his own report comes back with, he’s missed the entire point. His staff, under his leadership had numerous parties under his roof, whilst the rest of the nation were largely respecting the rules we’d be given to help control the spread of the virus. They did as they liked and in doing so laughed in the faces of everyone who did the right thing.

This is what I was explaining to brb earlier when he was asking why Boris was getting all the flak

The buck stops with the boss.

As was highlighted in that brilliant quip about him trying to convince the house that he's stupid instead of dishonest, he is responsible, holds the accountability and should have oversight of what's going on around him. He's either an ineffective leader or he's wilfully negligent of the rules.

When you're in charge, not only should you lead by example, but you also make sure that everybody below you in the chain of command is following the rules too
 
This is what I was explaining to brb earlier when he was asking why Boris was getting all the flak

The buck stops with the boss.

As was highlighted in that brilliant quip about him trying to convince the house that he's stupid instead of dishonest, he is responsible and should have oversight of what's going on around him. He's either an ineffective leader or he's wilfully negligent of the rules.

When you're in charge, not only should you lead by example, but you also make sure that everybody below you in the chain of command is following the rules too
It’s obvs that he helped create a drinking culture within No.10, which is a working office. Most employers would sack you for having drinks parties on works premises irrespective of the circumstances, having them during a lockdown created by that very office is unforgivable. Him clinging on is desperate, but sums up the man’s entire life, he’s never taken responsibility for anything, ever, he thinks rules are for others, not him.
 
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This is what I was explaining to brb earlier when he was asking why Boris was getting all the flak

The buck stops with the boss.

As was highlighted in that brilliant quip about him trying to convince the house that he's stupid instead of dishonest, he is responsible and should have oversight of what's going on around him. He's either an ineffective leader or he's wilfully negligent of the rules.

When you're in charge, not only should you lead by example, but you also make sure that everybody below you in the chain of command is following the rules too

At no time have I ever said the buck does not stop with Boris, never! What I asked is who are the other 50-100 people, a mere question that is important to ask.

Let me explain why...

I know one female MP, I forget her name and can't be arsed to google it, but she admitted to breaking the rules by attending a leaving party, I think it was, in her name.

My point being, she has now moved to a top job with Sheffield Council, but she has shown her crediability in a previous job, by breaking rules, so surely that brings into doubt her position with Sheffield Council.

You constantly bang on about pigs with noses in trough's not those words, whereas I would prefer to know names, and make them accountable, rather than all hiding behind the boss.

Maybe sometimes, you should take the time to understand where I'm coming from, then just constantly writing boring narratives, that resolve nowt.
 
Boris is accoutable as they are all acountable, sort the boss out, then come back to the rest. otherwise dishonety and integrity does not just affect their role as a politician, but it affects any job they later take up instead. They then infest local authority with their ways.
 
It’s obvs that he helped create a drinking culture within No.10, which is a working office. Most employers would sack you for having drinks parties on works premises irrespective of the circumstances, having them during a lockdown created by that very office is unforgivable. Him clinging on is desperate, but sums up the man’s entire life, he’s never taken responsibility for anything, ever, he thinks rules are for others, not him.

I know it's frivolous, but his missus gave a great insight into that when he spilled a glass of red wine over the sofa and they they had a massive barney together

'You never take responsibility for anything !' she was apparently heard to be screaming at him.
 
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At no time have I ever said the buck does not stop with Boris, never! What I asked is who are the other 50-100 people, a mere question that is important to ask.

Let me explain why...

I know one female MP, I forget her name and can't be arsed to google it, but she admitted to breaking the rules by attending a leaving party, I think it was, in her name.

My point being, she has now moved to a top job with Sheffield Council, but she has shown her crediability in a previous job, by breaking rules, so surely that brings into doubt her position with Sheffield Council.

You constantly bang on about pigs with noses in trough's not those words, whereas I would prefer to know names, and make them accountable, rather than all hiding behind the boss.

Maybe sometimes, you should take the time to understand where I'm coming from, then just constantly writing boring narratives, that resolve nowt.
She was a senior civil servant not an MP, and the event in Whitehall was her leaving party. Her current position as CEO of Sheffield Council is now under review, post the details of this party emerging.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-chief-kate-josephs-following-lockdown-drinks
 
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At no time have I ever said the buck does not stop with Boris, never! What I asked is who are the other 50-100 people, a mere question that is important to ask.

Let me explain why...

I know one female MP, I forget her name and can't be arsed to google it, but she admitted to breaking the rules by attending a leaving party, I think it was, in her name.

My point being, she has now moved to a top job with Sheffield Council, but she has shown her crediability in a previous job, by breaking rules, so surely that brings into doubt her position with Sheffield Council.

You constantly bang on about pigs with noses in trough's not those words, whereas I would prefer to know names, and make them accountable, rather than all hiding behind the boss.

Maybe sometimes, you should take the time to understand where I'm coming from, then just constantly writing boring narratives, that resolve nowt.

Yep they should be held accountable too.

If the boss is doing his job properly, then his minions keep in line and there isn't an issue.
 
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It's all pure theatre mate, "they were partying and the next day Ethels husband died" <doh>

I was out getting pissed one Friday night and got a phone call Saturday afternoon to tell me that one of my BILs had died overnight;
Never felt any guilt about that, he was ill.

Cummings was the biggest **** on Earth 18 months ago (remember Barnard Castlegate? plus he masterminded the Brexit campaign), now he is a paragon of virtue telling truth to all <laugh>

Amazing how people adapt when they hear what they want to :grin:

For me the party stuff ain't about people dying cos party or no party those people would have died.
However, it is about how others were forced to follow rules and could not see their loved ones in hospital as they died could not go to funerals, could not see their loved ones in care homes were not able to see family for months on end because of the rules imposed by government which some then broke.

They defended Cummings instead of doing the right thing and sacking him, now we know why.
Boris Johnson claiming he wasn't told the party (parties) broke the rule is as pathetic as Cummings claiming he drove to Bernard Castle to test his eye sight.

I don't expect others to agree with me but imho it is ****ish behaviour when ordinary people were unable to see their loved ones
 
Yep they should be held accountable too.

If the boss is doing his job properly, then his minions keep in line and there isn't an issue.

I wouldn't class the one at Sheffield Council a minion, in her profession she should know right from wrong, without any guidance from anyone.
 
and that's how it should be (under review) and my whole point of where I've been coming from. Apart from you posting it up, I've been the only one pursuing this part of events.
It likely makes her current position untenable, despite this happening before she took the office. The only thing that might save her is council HR running scared of it lol, as they’re generally extremely risk averse.
 
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I wouldn't class the one at Sheffield Council a minion, in her profession she should know right from wrong, without any guidance from anyone.

Well quite.

If she should know right from wrong without needing any guidance, then Boris' 'Nobody told me I was breaking the rules' comment is even more ludicrous.
 
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For me the party stuff ain't about people dying cos party or no party those people would have died.
However, it is about how others were forced to follow rules and could not see their loved ones in hospital as they died could not go to funerals, could not see their loved ones in care homes were not able to see family for months on end because of the rules imposed by government which some then broke.

They defended Cummings instead of doing the right thing and sacking him, now we know why.
Boris Johnson claiming he wasn't told the party (parties) broke the rule is as pathetic as Cummings claiming he drove to Bernard Castle to test his eye sight.

I don't expect others to agree with me but imho it is ****ish behaviour when ordinary people were unable to see their loved ones
I agree. I stuck to the rules, as to me the rules made sense, and in order to protect myself and wider society I felt it was the right thing to do at that time, to limit the spread of the virus. Johnson’s old man flouted the rules and ****ed off to Greece to his villa via some convoluted route iirc, as just like his son and the likes of Cummings, he obvs felt he could do as he liked, as long as no one found out. When he was bubbled he surprisingly fronted it up with some bullshit lol.
 
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