You probably don't know, which is why I joked about your age, this is what I was thinking about and why I laughed, the closest the Lib Dems ever come to achieving anything...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Thorpe
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You probably don't know, which is why I joked about your age, this is what I was thinking about and why I laughed, the closest the Lib Dems ever come to achieving anything...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Thorpe
The problem with the Lib Dems for me is that they always split the vote, which allows the tories back in.
More people voted for progressive polices from Labour, Lib, green at the last election, but when it splits the vote, then those parties are never going to get a majority to form a govt
If folk really want change, then they need to understand that they’ve got to vote tactically in our FPP system. It worked recently in North Shropshire where voters clubbed together to ensure that the Tory was unseated, by voting Lib Dem
Same in my constituency, Labour aren’t in the running. And I wanted a Labour Govt, but the best way to achieve that was to vote Lib Dem as they were best placed to unseat the Tory. Problem was loads of folk voted Labour and Green, and ended up getting Tory.
I just think it's a different thinking in your kneck of the woods that is slightly detached from the real world. I don't mean that disrespectfully, Thorpe stood in North Devon and my guess is some of that legacy still lives on in the older folk, whether that's good or bad of polling views down there. I feel the latter coalition in more modern times, was but the mere cherry on the cake.
If they were voted in 2010 then tuition fees would have been scrapped and we never would have had Brexit, a party who didn't want tuition fees scrapped and wanted a brexit vote got in.
OOC, what is the opinion on Brexit over there now? Do people think it right/wrong thing now?
I know the vote was close and shortly after the vote a slim majority were against Brexit.
Is it still very evenly divided in UK whether right thing to do or not.
I can give you my opinion, and that is that Labour dare not go there now, hence why we are seeing Starmer constantly hugging the Union Jack at his press briefings, because he's learned you can only fight fire with fire. Some might say that's to do with Scotland, I'd argue it's both.
It's more based on the fact that the Lib Dems are the only real oppo to the Tories down here. I don't really know why Labour don't feature more as despite the picture postcard images, Cornwall is actually one of the more deprived areas in the UK, with low wages, housing crisis and big drug problems in the major towns.
I think Paddy Ashdown holding that Yeovil seat for so many years also bolstered their popularity in the south west.
Oh yeah and him. Before my time, but he's fondly remembered down here, in sort of John Smith way, as to what could have been ...
Politics don't always make sense. Over here in the US take Trump and the working classes. He essentially increased the taxes of the working class (by removing exclusions) to give rich people a tax cut, yet he has solid support from the same lower classes he hosed.
Which is why I said what I said, it's Cornwalls legacy to be Lib Dem, in much the same way as you have the 'red wall' elsewhere etc. Yet Cornwall's population is low compared to areas in the rest of the UK, so we just ignore that little corner, because they have no voting clout.
Same mentality as Brexit imo. Do some flag waving, refugee scaremongering, evil powers want to take over your life (the EU, The democrats take your pick) and you've got an emotive recipe to whip up fear in the electorate
Then in the same breath make some empty platitudes 'Make America great again' 'Take back control' etc and you've created a (imaginary) problem and offered a (non functional) solution.
Said it way back when the brexit debacle was unfolding, that Aaron Banks (the criminal and vote leave donor) said that 'Facts don't matter, you have to appeal to people's emotions' His said that his brexit campaign was inspired by Donald Trump's election campaign because whilst it was so bereft of fact, it managed to whip up enough emotion to get people to vote for it.
Cornwall has a population of about 500k, but has 6 parliamentary seats. So it's not necessarily about population numbers per se, rather the spread of voters across each constituency. Down here it works out at about 83k people per seat. Whereas in London it's around 150k per seat, so in effect a single person's vote in Cornwall carries more weight than of somebody living in London, in pure numerical terms.
Cornwall most racist place in UK.
Help the refugees just not here. We are alright Jack
Help the refugees just not here. We are alright Jack
I just feel Welshie's wish beside all the banter, will never come to fuit. The red wall is too strong and only lent Tories their vote, when ever the party politics are backs to wall, the majoirty never vote Liberal at a General Election, they may often do that in local elections but not GE. Take the Libs stance in the last election, vote Libs to vote remain, they should under that banner have captured half the population, but they never, even though remainers hated Brexit, they didn't hate it enough to vote Liberal. Hence why I'm just amused by any suggesstion that they will ever come to power in my lifetime.
I can see the red wall voting Labour again at the next election. I think they feel they've been well a truly shafted by Boris with regard to the Northern rail schemes that have been ditched. Not to mention the Cheese and wine parties
I think you might be right mate.
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