Coronavirus

[armchairblue]

So what do people think of Rishi Sunak's latest position on helping employee's/employers?

Seems to me he is trying to be realistic, suggesting I can't pay you for being at home, if there is little prospect of your job returning. Seems harsh but also a stark reality that some jobs, maybe such as night clubs, indoor theatre, have little chance of being part of the new normal.

One of the things I have picked up on, is that a lot of businesses such as restaurants, don't seem to have had a problem with the 6 rule, as most of them have adapted anyway, since March. Their biggest problem appears to be around having to close at 10pm, losing at least several hours trade.

It got me to thinking, surely the reason restaurants have to shut at 10pm is because of the influence of alcohol. So would the better answer here be, NOT to serve alcohol or allow it's consumption on your premises after 10pm, but allow table dining for food only and non alchoholic drinks.

Any business that flouts the law (enforced by the covid squads) can be forced to close with the possibility of huge financial penalties or alcohol licence removed. At least it would make more effective use of these busy bodies, while allowing those later food serving hours.

Afterall some muslim owned restaurants don't serve alcohol, so why should they be made to close. Obviously people could be tanked up beforehand, but those problems can be dealt with at local level, such as non admittance to premises.

I think schools being open is a big part of the problem,30 kids in a class......
WE all know kids spread everything.
Feel sorry for everyone suffering over this ****,hope everyone that posts on this site is ok.

 

[brb]

It would be interesting to see how much of the nighttime economy kept going after 10pm without booze. I agree that booze is probably the problem here, because as plenty of people have said, forget social distancing when people are beered up. I don’t see any reason personally why people shouldn’t be able to stay in a restaurant later than 10.00pm.

He’s probably right that it makes no sense to keep paying people to stay in jobs that have effectively gone anyway. What I didn’t hear, is what he’s doing to create new jobs in growth areas (there are some).

If I was out of work right now I’d be knocking on the doors of courier firms, and supermarkets that deliver door to door. Anyone with IT skills should be laughing.

Your last sentence was my first thought, after hearing todays news.

 

[pompeymeowth]

Christmas isn't much fun without Paxo.

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[brb]

Christmas isn't much fun without Paxo.

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[PINKIE]

So what do people think of Rishi Sunak's latest position on helping employee's/employers?

Seems to me he is trying to be realistic, suggesting I can't pay you for being at home, if there is little prospect of your job returning. Seems harsh but also a stark reality that some jobs, maybe such as night clubs, indoor theatre, have little chance of being part of the new normal.

One of the things I have picked up on, is that a lot of businesses such as restaurants, don't seem to have had a problem with the 6 rule, as most of them have adapted anyway, since March. Their biggest problem appears to be around having to close at 10pm, losing at least several hours trade.

It got me to thinking, surely the reason restaurants have to shut at 10pm is because of the influence of alcohol. So would the better answer here be, NOT to serve alcohol or allow it's consumption on your premises after 10pm, but allow table dining for food only and non alchoholic drinks.

Any business that flouts the law (enforced by the covid squads) can be forced to close with the possibility of huge financial penalties or alcohol licence removed. At least it would make more effective use of these busy bodies, while allowing those later food serving hours.

Afterall some muslim owned restaurants don't serve alcohol, so why should they be made to close. Obviously people could be tanked up beforehand, but those problems can be dealt with at local level, such as non admittance to premises.

I think booze is one part of the problem, but the idea of closing at 10pm is also to limit more contacts. So essentially it's one sitting in the evening, one crowd of people to deal with rather than two, but the later it gets and more the more booze that's flowing, it definitely makes the situation trickier so I can see the logic behind it.

Some folk argue that it will just make people drink up earlier, buy booze from an offy and then go round to each other's houses and carry on drinking, but the Govt can't mitigate for every scenario. Rules are in place about visiting other households, and that's about as much as Govt can do. You're always going to get some selfish ****ers who think it doesn't affect them and will do what they want

As for the employment support, harsh as it sounds, I think it's realistic to suggest that those who work in industries where there's no chance of returning, might need to seek alternative employment. The Govt could support that with paid for re-training courses etc, but you can't just go on forever paying people just to sit at home.

I'm glad there's an extension of the self employment support scheme, although it's only 20% of trading profits. But that said, I don't feel entitled to a hand out, so I'm just grateful for any support that's offered

 

[Treble]

I have some sympathy for industry sectors which have proven to keep infection rates low. The big one that comes to mind is the hospitality sector which employs hundreds of thousands and has demonstrated an infection rate of only 4%. Surely we should be rewarding those sectors that make the effort to keep infections low? And surely that would send the message out to other business sectors - if you want to be looked at favourably when we bring in restriction you better fix up. It'll guarantee to change mindsets, especially with the corporates. Imagine how quickly wearing masks when walking into Sainsbury's or an Esso garage becomes zero tolerance!

Despite Sunak's efforts we know certain sectors will go to the wall. We should be doing all we can to try and mitigate that and I think rewarding those who do all they can to minimise infections should be part of the strategy. I'm surprised they haven't done that.

 

[brb]

I have some sympathy for industry sectors which have proven to keep infection rates low. The big one that comes to mind is the hospitality sector which employs hundreds of thousands and has demonstrated an infection rate of only 4%. Surely we should be rewarding those sectors that make the effort to keep infections low? And surely that would send the message out to other business sectors - if you want to be looked at favourably when we bring in restriction you better fix up. It'll change mindsets especially with the corporates. Imagine how quickly wearing masks when walking into Sainsbury's or an Esso garage becomes zero tolerance!

Despite Sunak's efforts we know certain sectors will go to the wall. We should be doing all we can to try and mitigate that and I think rewarding those who do all they can to minimise infections should be part of the strategy. I'm surprised they haven't done that.

I agree with your thoughts on hospitality, award those that get it right. I think we also need to hold the public accountable for their actions, via the public agreeing themselves, that some actions are unacceptable with the new normal. If you can't moderate your drinking when you go out, then businesses are going to go to the wall and people will lose their jobs. Covid and the Government haven't caused that, selfish stubborn people have, all because they needed to get pissed. Like you say, zero tolerance.

 

[PINKIE]

I have some sympathy for industry sectors which have proven to keep infection rates low. The big one that comes to mind is the hospitality sector which employs hundreds of thousands and has demonstrated an infection rate of only 4%. Surely we should be rewarding those sectors that make the effort to keep infections low? And surely that would send the message out to other business sectors - if you want to be looked at favourably when we bring in restriction you better fix up. It'll guarantee to change mindsets, especially with the corporates. Imagine how quickly wearing masks when walking into Sainsbury's or an Esso garage becomes zero tolerance!

Despite Sunak's efforts we know certain sectors will go to the wall. We should be doing all we can to try and mitigate that and I think rewarding those who do all they can to minimise infections should be part of the strategy. I'm surprised they haven't done that.

I work in what could broadly be called hospitality. Markets, events and festivals and I have to say that a myriad of businesses have really stepped up to the plate to manage their covid secure workplaces. I'd also point out that in the main, members of the public using these businesses have also been really well behaved, observing the restrictions and directions that have been put in place.

But as we know with this virus, it only takes a very small minority of those who flout the rules to have a big impact. Personally I'd go full tilt with those who deliberately and wilfully flout the rules, imposing massive fines on them.

 

[brb]

I work in what could broadly be called hospitality. Markets, events and festivals and I have to say that a myriad of businesses have really stepped up to the plate to manage their covid secure workplaces. I'd also point out that in the main, members of the public using these businesses have also been really well behaved, observing the restrictions and directions that have been put in place.

But as we know with this virus, it only takes a very small minority of those who flout the rules to have a big impact. Personally I'd go full tilt with those who deliberately and wilfully flout the rules, imposing massive fines on them.

Exactly, these people are affecting other people's lives, not just through risk of infection, but potentially putting them out of a job, because someone couldn't obey some simple rules for a limited period of their life.

 

[Treble]

I work in what could broadly be called hospitality. Markets, events and festivals and I have to say that a myriad of businesses have really stepped up to the plate to manage their covid secure workplaces. I'd also point out that in the main, members of the public using these businesses have also been really well behaved, observing the restrictions and directions that have been put in place.

But as we know with this virus, it only takes a very small minority of those who flout the rules to have a big impact. Personally I'd go full tilt with those who deliberately and wilfully flout the rules, imposing massive fines on them.

How about issuing licenses like with pubs. And if you flout those rules your license gets revoked. That way the vast majority don't get fcked in the process. And I'm 100% sure the responsible business owners want those fckers who risk their industry to be punished and/or taken out of business.

 

[PINKIE]

How about issuing licenses like with pubs. And if you flout those rules your license gets revoked. That way the vast majority don't get fcked in the process. And I'm 100% sure the responsible business owners want those fckers who risk their industry to be punished and/or taken out of business.

I was referring more to members of the public flouting the rules rather than businesses.

The problem with all of this though, is that it's so hard to police. The resources simply aren't there to make sure everybody is being compliant. It takes a massive about of trust and goodwill and essentially comes down to people being grown up enough to take responsibility for themselves and those around them.

 

[PINKIE]

Exactly, these people are affecting other people's lives, not just through risk of infection, but potentially putting them out of a job, because someone couldn't obey some simple rules for a limited period of their life.

Selfish as **** innit. I honestly wonder how some of these people would cope in a war scenario or something. The self entitled culture has got so out of control now days and so many people think the world owes them something, and/or they are free to do whatever the **** they want when they want, regardless of the impact it has on others.

 

[PINKIE]

^^^ Listen to me the ****ing old cynic

 

[brb]

^^^ Listen to me the ****ing old cynic

Not really, we are just asking for a temporary culture change, so people can work later and keep their jobs. It really isn't a big ask.

 

[Treble]

I was referring more to members of the public flouting the rules rather than businesses.

The problem with all of this though, is that it's so hard to police. The resources simply aren't there to make sure everybody is being compliant. It takes a massive about of trust and goodwill and essentially comes down to people being grown up enough to take responsibility for themselves and those around them.

There'll always be arseholes who flout the rules, but ultimately it's businesses which have the control. All you can ask for is businesses to take robust measures and do the best they can. I've heard on radio certain private sectors have infection rates of 30% which is ridiculous.

 

[Archers Road]

^^^ Listen to me the ****ing old cynic

Thought you’d completely lost it when you mentioned the war tbh. Proper old git stuff that

 

[PINKIE]

Thought you’d completely lost it when you mentioned the war tbh. Proper old git stuff that

I know

Who is that old **** moaning again anyway ?

 

[PINKIE]

Not really, we are just asking for a temporary culture change, so people can work later and keep their jobs. It really isn't a big ask.

It really isn't, but the 'my rights' crew have made this all about an attack on civil liberties and totally ****ing bypassed the fact that it's about reducing transmissions.

As you know, there's a really ****ed up fringe narrative to this too that lumps it all together with Bill Gates wanting to microchip everybody. Hilary Clinton being a lesbian baby eating child trafficker and Donny Trump being sent to jail the deep state operatives and set the working man free.

There's no reasoning with some of these people. They just needs Tel's woodchipper tbh.

 

[brb]

It really isn't, but the 'my rights' crew have made this all about an attack on civil liberties and totally ****ing bypassed the fact that it's about reducing transmissions.

As you know, there's a really ****ed up fringe narrative to this too that lumps it all together with Bill Gates wanting to microchip everybody. Hilary Clinton being a lesbian baby eating child trafficker and Donny Trump being sent to jail the deep state operatives and set the working man free.

There's no reasoning with some of these people. They just needs Tel's woodchipper tbh.

I'm a drinker mate, and was a smoker, if an old dinosaur like me can adapt to change, then I struggle to see why others can't...or do i...suppose if someone had told me as a 15 year old (when I first went into pubs), to knock it on the head, I'd have probably told them to fook off. I was probably more vocal about my civil liberties in them days to, so how all todays big brother shhite has crept up on me, I don't know

 

[PINKIE]

I'm a drinker mate, and was a smoker, if an old dinosaur like me can adapt to change, then I struggle to see why others can't...or do i...suppose if someone had told me as a 15 year old (when I first went into pubs), to knock it on the head, I'd have probably told them to fook off. I was probably more vocal about my civil liberties in them days to, so how all todays big brother shhite has crept up on me, I don't know

Aye the exuberance of yoot is one thing. But you literally have 50 and 60 something people who should know better espousing this ****ing guff these days. Literally popping a vein about having to wear a mask to pop to the spar and buy a pint of milk because it's all part of the NWO plan to control us all.