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Perhaps we should now call the Tories 'The Party That Just Happened To Be In Power When This Crisis Hit The World'? Wasn't what we called Labour in 2008, but there you go.
 
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Don't hold your breath way too many dumb fks in England for that to happen.... Tory makes em feel British

The three most voted for parties in Wales are all originated in England. The Labour, Conservative and Liberal Parties are as British as they come. Plaid Cymru the only "major" Welsh party won 4 of their contested 36 seats with a vote % of 0.5.

How in any singular way can you say this is a fault of the English specifically, and what the **** puts Welsh or Scottish people above this? Flag waving neanderthal.
 
Absolutely ... and comparison of our preparation for a pandemic and also our reaction to it with that of Germany - now that seems pretty reasonable to me.

If nowt else, we need to learn from this.


But we can't criticise the Tories right now - we're at war. The NHS are our spitfires and hurricanes, and Boris is our Winston, the man who warned of the danger all along, and never once hatched a cockeyed plan with his gimp adviser to let enough Heinkels over so that we'd become immune to bombs. No siree.
 
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Good question.

Whatever is done will be wrong, probably.
Right.

What I was more asking about was how does a world economy come out of a recession when literally every country has had to endure record borrowing? I'm not an economist and have no idea how it would work or who takes the lead on it. Presumably the IMF but what would they have to do to help all countries start reducing their debts?
 
The three most voted for parties in Wales are all originated in England. The Labour, Conservative and Liberal Parties are as British as they come. Plaid Cymru the only "major" Welsh party won 4 of their contested 36 seats with a vote % of 0.5.

How in any singular way can you say this is a fault of the English specifically, and what the **** puts Welsh or Scottish people above this? Flag waving neanderthal.
The SNP won 80% of the seats in Scotland so how can you equate Scotland with Wales? The only cùnts who vote for the Tories in Scotland are ex Pat English and moon howling loyalist fùckpigs

So aye, Scottish people are above the majority of idiot English electorate.

Thems the facts Petal.
 
Right.

What I was more asking about was how does a world economy come out of a recession when literally every country has had to endure record borrowing? I'm not an economist and have no idea how it would work or who takes the lead on it. Presumably the IMF but what would they have to do to help all countries start reducing their debts?


You'd hope there would be a world wide collective approach/agreement on how to work through it but that is not what has happened to dealing with the outbreak itself, so who knows how that pans out.

I'm not sure if there will be any countries not affected by this economically? Very much doubt it.

Worldwide recession, depression even, is to follow without some serious negotiation.
 
The point is, as plenty others have commented, that this is now politics thread part 2.

Just a blur of stats blaming the government and/or trump for everything.

If you can't see it, fine.

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For the most part today it seems to be people crying about others who are daring to question the strategy and the veracity of the Govt figures being put forward to the populous.

It seems that any analysis or questioning is being shouted down with ‘you’re politicising it!’ in order to shut down debate.

You can’t discuss issues like the death of the elderly in care homes and the PPE issues / figures not being reported accurately, without discussing the strategy of the current Govt and having a view on it.
 
The SNP won 85% of the seats in Scotland so how can you equate Scotland with Wales? The only cùnts who vote for the Tories in Scotland are ex Pat English and moon howling loyalist fùckpigs

So aye, Scottish people are above the majority of idiot English electorate.

Thems the facts Petal.

Interesting to note you cited seat percentages as opposed to the percentage of party votes. The Pro-Unionist parties won 55% of the votes in Scotland, however competed with one another. All of those pro-unionist parties are English originated parties.

Thems the facts Petal.

What percentage of that 55% is Ex Pat English and what percent is moon howling loyalist ****pigs?
 
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Interesting to note you cited seat percentages as opposed to the percentage of party votes. The Pro-Unionist parties won 55% of the votes in Scotland, however competed with one another. All of those pro-unionist parties are English originated parties.

Thems the facts Petal.

What percentage of that 55% is Ex Pat English and what percent is moon howling loyalist ****pigs?
We weren't talking about pro unionist parties though Petal. We were talking about the Tories.

Do try and keep up you Tory eejit.
 
Right.

What I was more asking about was how does a world economy come out of a recession when literally every country has had to endure record borrowing? I'm not an economist and have no idea how it would work or who takes the lead on it. Presumably the IMF but what would they have to do to help all countries start reducing their debts?

According to some dude on Bloomberg the other day (can't get more specific than that) the money is out there: the last thing the world economy needs now is more QE. Companies and individuals have just withdrawn it from the market and, so she says, and bought US dollars with it. She believes that when the economy re-starts there will be a year, at least, as supply and demand reconfigures. But it will.

The market (especially the Dow) was over-inflated by @ 20% in January anyway. It was climbing to a bubble that would have burst after the November GE anyway. BUT, the fundamentals are all in place, apparently. The problem will be consumer demand to spur on supply. The answer (at least short term) ? Keynesian, government-based projects: pay people to rebuild the infrastructure and NHS, rather than sitting at home on pitiful welfare.

I was shocked to hear an economist say that too...<yikes>
 
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Oh, and here's something I'd do as well - make all science, engineering and medical degrees free. It WILL pay for itself over a generation. We'll be leaving our grandkids a big debt - let's at least leave them a top infrastructure, physically and intellectually.
 
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We weren't talking about pro unionist parties though Petal. We were talking about the Tories.

Do try and keep up you Tory eejit.

No, we were talking about an overwhelming sense of "Englishness" being prevalent in people's voting decisions. I'm pointing out that in both Scotland and Wales, overwhelmingly, English parties received the majority of votes. Hypocrisy.

Then I pointed out in your pathetic defense of Scotland how you blatantly stated seats as opposed to voting percentage to support your weak argument. However, I'm glad that you support the Westminster system when it comes to helping the SNP win seats in parliament.
 
According to some dude on Bloomberg the other day (can't get more specific than that) the money is out there: the last thing the world economy needs now is more QE. Companies and individuals have just withdrawn it from the market and, so she says, and bought US dollars with it. She believes that when the economy re-starts there will be a year, at least, as supply and demand reconfigures. But it will.

The market (especially the Dow) was over-inflated by @ 20% in January anyway. It was climbing to a bubble that would have burst after the November GE anyway. BUT, the fundamentals are all in place, apparently. The problem will be consumer demand to spur on supply. The answer (at least short term) ? Keynesian, government-based projects: pay people to rebuild the infrastructure and NHS, rather than sitting at home on pitiful welfare.

I was shocked to hear an economist say that too...<yikes>
I find Bloomberg a total mindfuck at times. They'll interview one guy who will say one thing and then interview the next guy who says completely the opposite.

You've even got Goldman Sachs saying two weeks ago that the US markets would fall 20% below the March 23rd low and then after the market goes up 10% in a week, having already been 15% up from March 23rd, they say that actually it's time to buy in (so they were 45% out!).
 
Yes they are at the moment. People are being expelled from York station if they are not key workers. And yes, people have also been turned away with sob stories about how they need to use the train to get to Asda and take their granny their medication.

TPE are still trying to force their staff to go through the train selling and checking tickets though...
The police and railway staff must have just been blown away by being in my company on Sunday so much that they ended up letting me do what the **** I wanted.
 
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