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Oh ... one last thing...
3 parents and 4 kids (from 2 or more families) could not play after school at one house or on the common because it is deemed illegal...but they can all go to a local playground / swing park ... which is exactly what happened today after school across the road from my school and another one near where I live.
It really was not thought through.
 
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I hear what you and RCL are saying, but my view does differ slightly....

I'm not comfortable with kids wearing masks, and I'm not comfortable with the adults approaching them, wearing protective gear. I get all the arguments why they should, but we are inbuilding a sense of fear into our kids and they shouldn't have to even think about this shhite at their age.

My grandkid, was taught to generally keep away from people over this virus, but that also has a detriment affect that they become worried if someone comes near them!

We're teaching our kids unconsciously to be scared, and I don't like it.

It's an adult responsibility to deal with this, I would want to keep any aspects of the worry or the display of protective measures away or at the least to the minimum for our kids.

My grandchild even looks at me on the doorstep as though is it it ok to come in grandad....what are we doing to our children! Even fearful to give you a kiss, although I do generally discourage it, but in a less than obvious way, by making a hug the focal point of affection.

I worry that we're instilling too much fear into this generation coming up. I get it that precautions are needed. But there has to be a balance in there. Kids need interaction, they need to play and they need to feel that the adults around them are going to provide a safe environment for them. At the moment, they see a lot of fear and anxiety around them, and adults having petty arguments about 'the rules'

When we were in full lockdown. My old dear was in pieces that she couldn't see my daughter. She'd just lost her husband and suddenly her world was one of complete isolation. In the end, I had to **** the rules off and go round with my little un' and see her. She said that she would rather get the virus and pop her clogs than never be able to see her grandaughter. That kind of summed it up for me.
 
I hear what you and RCL are saying, but my view does differ slightly....

I'm not comfortable with kids wearing masks, and I'm not comfortable with the adults approaching them, wearing protective gear. I get all the arguments why they should, but we are inbuilding a sense of fear into our kids and they shouldn't have to even think about this shhite at their age.

My grandkid, was taught to generally keep away from people over this virus, but that also has a detriment affect that they become worried if someone comes near them!

We're teaching our kids unconsciously to be scared, and I don't like it.

It's an adult responsibility to deal with this, I would want to keep any aspects of the worry or the display of protective measures away or at the least to the minimum for our kids.

My grandchild even looks at me on the doorstep as though is it it ok to come in grandad....what are we doing to our children! Even fearful to give you a kiss, although I do generally discourage it, but in a less than obvious way, by making a hug the focal point of affection.

I dont want kids wearing masks either but I don't see why they're included in the group of 6... and even then why any number of them can go into a supermarket or school.

Funny thing is it's an arbitraty number anyway. It could be 4, could be 10.
 
I dont want kids wearing masks either but I don't see why they're included in the group of 6... and even then why any number of them can go into a supermarket or school.

Funny thing is it's an arbitraty number anyway. It could be 4, could be 10.

Don't know mate, my kids have all grown up, so I don't have school problems, thankfully that world is in the past. If the kids are off school, I hibernate until they go back <laugh>
 
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I hear what you and RCL are saying, but my view does differ slightly....

I'm not comfortable with kids wearing masks, and I'm not comfortable with the adults approaching them, wearing protective gear. I get all the arguments why they should, but we are inbuilding a sense of fear into our kids and they shouldn't have to even think about this shhite at their age.

My grandkid, was taught to generally keep away from people over this virus, but that also has a detriment affect that they become worried if someone comes near them!

We're teaching our kids unconsciously to be scared, and I don't like it.

It's an adult responsibility to deal with this, I would want to keep any aspects of the worry or the display of protective measures away or at the least to the minimum for our kids.

My grandchild even looks at me on the doorstep as though is it it ok to come in grandad....what are we doing to our children! Even fearful to give you a kiss, although I do generally discourage it, but in a less than obvious way, by making a hug the focal point of affection.

Don't get me wrong...I think masks would cause a lot of very unnecessary problems in primary schools.
But vulnerable staff need to know what risks they are actually taking.
I walk between 6 and 8 miles a day to keep healthy and am normally well (only had 1 day off sick in past 18 months) so am not worried for me.
But for example, a 25 yr old colleague lives with her grandfather who is vulnerable so she needs to know if the risk has changed.

I get mistakes will be made but if you can look at a policy/law/plan and see the obvious holes in it thrn it is not a very good plan.

The government are not listening and as a result are constantly screwing up which is leading to confusion, mistrust and scepticism ... I think questioning authority is healthy if based rational logic. My fear is that many will either call it all a hoax or demand another total lockdown. In my view neither of those things is healthy for individuals or society as a whole.
 
As I said last week. I don't think these rules are aimed at directly reducing thei
spread but are a means of re-engaging people around social distancing etc which I'm sure we'll all hidden drop off in the past month or so.
I think they’re panicking tbh. As the R rate is rising exponentially in some areas, just as we’re on the cusp of hitting Autumn and when the annual flu season starts because people spend more time inside in less ventilated spaces, as windows / doors are closed etc.

If they don’t get a grip of it now, then we could be back to where we were in March within a couple of months. The messages have been so muddled and contradictory that people are largely just writing **** on it now imo. It’s a real concern for me tbh. As there’s no ****ing way I want to be back isolating again given I’m on the vulnerable list ffs.
 
In other news my friends mother (50's) was diagnosed with terminal cancer today. Would have much more of a fighting chance had it been discovered in March as it should have been.


Stay home forever. Save lives.
 
Don't get me wrong...I think masks would cause a lot of very unnecessary problems in primary schools.
But vulnerable staff need to know what risks they are actually taking.
I walk between 6 and 8 miles a day to keep healthy and am normally well (only had 1 day off sick in past 18 months) so am not worried for me.
But for example, a 25 yr old colleague lives with her grandfather who is vulnerable so she needs to know if the risk has changed.

I get mistakes will be made but if you can look at a policy/law/plan and see the obvious holes in it thrn it is not a very good plan.

The government are not listening and as a result are constantly screwing up which is leading to confusion, mistrust and scepticism ... I think questioning authority is healthy if based rational logic. My fear is that many will either call it all a hoax or demand another total lockdown. In my view neither of those things is healthy for individuals or society as a whole.

You sound stressed out mate.
 
A family of four stopping to talk to a family of three in the park for 5 minutes are breaking the law.

The same two families talking in the queue to get into school are not.

We are governed by utter morons.

Be careful, Priti Patel says she'll call the cops on any non-Tory she spots breaking the law
 
I think what you're missing here mate is that the virus knows when 6 of you are standing on a street with your kids chatting away. But something happens to the virus when you enter a Tesco's. It loses its powers of detection. It's science mate. This government aint stoopid yanaaw! It knows this ****. It's following the science.

Apparently chip and PIN machines emits a specific kind of radiation that immobilises the coronavirus. So if you're paying to be somewhere you're safe <ok>
 
Apparently chip and PIN machines emits a specific kind of radiation that immobilises the coronavirus. So if you're paying to be somewhere you're safe <ok>

Hopefully you lob yourself off a bridge so certainly most aren't safe.
 
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Apparently chip and PIN machines emits a specific kind of radiation that immobilises the coronavirus. So if you're paying to be somewhere you're safe <ok>
It certainly saves cash going from hand to hand that may be contaminated.

Stick to the Liverpool board and baby stats <ok>
 
Apparently chip and PIN machines emits a specific kind of radiation that immobilises the coronavirus. So if you're paying to be somewhere you're safe <ok>
You are absolutely right. The radiation apparently stuns the virus for 2.3 nanoseconds and then it is really pissed off when it wakes up.
 
I think they’re panicking tbh. As the R rate is rising exponentially in some areas, just as we’re on the cusp of hitting Autumn and when the annual flu season starts because people spend more time inside in less ventilated spaces, as windows / doors are closed etc.

If they don’t get a grip of it now, then we could be back to where we were in March within a couple of months. The messages have been so muddled and contradictory that people are largely just writing **** on it now imo. It’s a real concern for me tbh. As there’s no ****ing way I want to be back isolating again given I’m on the vulnerable list ffs.

Will be interesting to see what happens over the next couple of weeks as both infections and hospitalisations are up. There is some emerging evidence that treatment for Covid is having better outcomes, so hopefully the death rate won't follow. But as you say, we're on the cusp of flu season so services are going to be stretched anyway. I suppose though, that with less people in offices/ workplaces, along with practically everybody practising really stringent hygiene with hand washing, masks and santiser, we might not see the same levels of flu as previous years.
 
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