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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Sooperhoop, Feb 8, 2020.

  1. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    I was the last plague free in my family. I tested negative on the day before flying here, as did everyone else on the half empty plane to Boston. I’m sure I caught it on the internal flight. Seems like a big new wave happening here, so get over the pond if you want to join the infected club.

    The bastard about this virus is how it affects people differently. With me it’s mild, an irritation at most (probably due to vaccinations) for others it’s deadly.
     
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    What is monkeypox and how do you catch it?
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    Symptoms of monkeypox include a rash which starts on the face and spreads to the body
    Cases of monkeypox - a rare, little-known disease - are being investigated in European countries including the UK, the US, Canada and Australia.

    On Friday the UK confirmed the number of cases had more than doubled, bringing the total to 20.

    Health Secretary Sajid Javid said 11 new cases had been confirmed and most cases were mild.

    The UK government has bought stocks of smallpox vaccine to guard against monkeypox.

    How common is monkeypox?
    Monkeypox is caused by the monkeypox virus, a member of the same family of viruses as smallpox, although it is much less severe and experts say chances of infection are low.

    It occurs mostly in remote parts of central and west African countries, near tropical rainforests.


    There are two main strains of virus - west African and central African.

    Two of the infected patients in the UK travelled from Nigeria, so it is likely that they are suffering from the West African strain, which is generally mild, but this is as yet unconfirmed.

    Another case was a healthcare worker who picked up the virus from one of the patients.

    More recent cases do not have any known links with each other, or any history of travel. It appears they caught it in the UK from spread in the community.

    The UK Health Security Agency says anyone with concerns that they could be infected should see a health professional, but make contact with the clinic or surgery ahead of a visit.

    What are the symptoms?
    Initial symptoms include fever, headaches, swellings, back pain, aching muscles and a general listlessness.


    Once the fever breaks a rash can develop, often beginning on the face, then spreading to other parts of the body, most commonly the palms of the hands and soles of the feet.

    The rash, which can be extremely itchy, changes and goes through different stages before finally forming a scab, which later falls off. The lesions can cause scarring.

    The infection usually clears up on its own and lasts between 14 and 21 days.

    How do you catch it?
    Monkeypox can be spread when someone is in close contact with an infected person. The virus can enter the body through broken skin, the respiratory tract or through the eyes, nose or mouth.

    It has not previously been described as a sexually transmitted infection, but it can be passed on by direct contact during sex.

    It can also be spread by contact with infected animals such as monkeys, rats and squirrels, or by virus-contaminated objects, such as bedding and clothing.


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    Monkeypox virus particle
    How dangerous is it?
    Most cases of the virus are mild, sometimes resembling chickenpox, and clear up on their own within a few weeks.

    Monkeypox can sometimes be more severe, however, and has been reported to have caused deaths in west Africa.

    Are gay men at greater risk?
    Although some of the cases have been seen in gay and bisexual men, anyone who comes into close contact with someone who has monkeypox could potentially get the virus.

    The UK Health Security Agency has said "a notable proportion" of the recent cases in the UK and Europe have been found in gay and bisexual men "so we are particularly encouraging them to be alert to the symptoms and seek help if concerned".

    How common are outbreaks?
    The virus was first identified in a captive monkey and since 1970 there have been sporadic outbreaks reported across 10 African countries.

    In 2003 there was an outbreak in the US, the first time it had been seen outside Africa. Patients caught the disease from close contact with prairie dogs that had been infected by small mammals imported into the country. A total of 81 cases were reported, but none resulted in deaths.

    In 2017, Nigeria experienced the largest known outbreak. There were 172 suspected cases and 75% of victims were men between 21 and 40 years old.

    What is the treatment?
    There is no treatment for monkeypox, but outbreaks can be controlled by infection prevention.

    Vaccination against smallpox has been proven to be 85% effective in preventing monkeypox.

    The UK has bought doses of the smallpox vaccine, but it is not clear how many jabs might be given.

    Antiviral drugs may also help.

    Should the public be concerned?
    Experts say we are not on the brink of a national outbreak and, according to the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA), the risk is low.

    Prof Jonathan Ball, professor of molecular virology, University of Nottingham, said: "The fact that only one of the 50 contacts of the initial monkeypox-infected patient has been infected shows how poorly infectious the virus is.

    "It is wrong to think that we are on the brink of a nationwide outbreak."

    UKHSA is following up those who have had close contact with patients to offer advice and to monitor them.

    Sources: UKHSA and World Health Organization.
     
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  3. qprbeth

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    Let's not get too excited about monkey pox.....

    There is so much more to worry about.

    Wagatha Christie trial will be decided this week.... It is a fascinating study of how to fill your time if you have more money than brains or sense
     
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    So it looks like they are discovering some of the side effects of the vaccines that have been pumped into us....Long Covid <yikes>...

    Symptoms after vaccine

    He said long Covid clinics with specialist doctors were needed "urgently" despite the expense, and numbers of long Covid sufferers were likely to be underestimated.

    "One group of people where I think that is particularly the case is people who have developed long Covid-type symptoms after having the Covid vaccine," Dr Deans added.

    "While the Covid vaccine has saved lots of lives and at population level has been a good thing, we're now uncovering evidence that some people are developing this same kind of presentation - long Covid - after the vaccine, and it seems that has triggered it."

    A Scottish government spokesman said they were "determined everyone with long Covid gets the care and support that is most appropriate for them, regardless of their age".

    He said they were spending £3m this year to improve care for long Covid patients.

    "An example of this can been seen in NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde where resource has been allocated to support the recruitment of an additional paediatric occupational therapist to provide support to children, young people and their families," he said.

    A national long Covid strategic network would work with the NHS, clinicians, young people and their families to "develop the best models of care", he added.


    Symptoms after vaccine

    He said long Covid clinics with specialist doctors were needed "urgently" despite the expense, and numbers of long Covid sufferers were likely to be underestimated.

    "One group of people where I think that is particularly the case is people who have developed long Covid-type symptoms after having the Covid vaccine," Dr Deans added.

    "While the Covid vaccine has saved lots of lives and at population level has been a good thing, we're now uncovering evidence that some people are developing this same kind of presentation - long Covid - after the vaccine, and it seems that has triggered it."

    A Scottish government spokesman said they were "determined everyone with long Covid gets the care and support that is most appropriate for them, regardless of their age".

    He said they were spending £3m this year to improve care for long Covid patients.

    "An example of this can been seen in NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde where resource has been allocated to support the recruitment of an additional paediatric occupational therapist to provide support to children, young people and their families," he said.

    A national long Covid strategic network would work with the NHS, clinicians, young people and their families to "develop the best models of care", he added.
     
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  6. sb_73

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    Just deleted the ZOE covid symptoms app. This did a great job until recently but now have a list of symptoms which will cover everything from the plague to athletes foot, and are incapable of capturing mild, brief episodes. it’s weighted to make things seem worse than they are.
     
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    My son ( whom l work with ) .... and l continue to feel all kinds of effects on a weekly basis.
    Hot flushes, coughing, crook in the stomach, sore throat, sweat and fever, a couple of good days to make you feel your over it, then rinse & repeat.

    The son had Ross River Fever before Xmas and he came good, only to suffer on and off since then. Nobody can identify the issue.
    We had the first two co-vid injections and ever since then, we have been crook, go figure.
     
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  8. Uber_Hoop

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    Funny how the quicker we go back to normal the quicker we go back to normal.
     
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  9. peter1954qpr

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    Had my fourth jab yesterday,now I have a dead arm & the shiver & shakes,
    Achieved the full house 2 x astra Zenica, I Pfizer & now 1 Modena
     
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  10. Steelmonkey

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    Now, I'm not some crazed conspiracy theorist, but this does sound a bit iffy....turns out the Infectious Disease Lab in Wuhan was working on Monkey Pox in the last few months....

     
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    You might not be a crazed conspiracy theorist, but this bloke ‘Dr’ (he’s a nurse educator) John Campbell is. Lots of stuff he has posted has been shown to be misinformation, on ivermectin, vaccine efficacy, COVID death reporting etc.

    How is your wife, lot of long covid stuff in the paper today.
     
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  12. Steelmonkey

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    She's a lot better thanks, but still not back to 100%. Lot of strange aches and pains which they put down to nerve damage, who knows if it will ever resolve itself.
     
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  13. Woodyhoopleson

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    Hello you all, long time. Hope you’re all well.

    To describe Campbell as a crazed conspiracy theorist is ridiculous. He’s been completely neutral in his commentary throughout. He analyses data released by the ONS, Pfizer etc, considers the implications, highlights important omissions and enables the untrained to comprehend.

    Why would you call him a crazed conspiracy theorist? You tackled the man, not the ball.

    Is he wrong about the lab working on monkeypox?
     
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    Nice to see you back Woody :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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    Cheers mate
     
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    Wotcha Woody

    I’m still doing some of the exercises you kindly shared.

    ‘Crazed conspiracy theorist’ was an echo of Steelsy’s original post. I had a look at what this bloke has posted on YouTube, noted that a lot of it is based on misunderstanding or deliberate misrepresentation (I can’t say which) of the data he attempts to critique, and concluded that he, like many other YouTube bloggers, is a rather sad attention seeking chap, who simply isn’t qualified to offer the analyses he provides. Just my opinion and not worth getting into a circular argument about.

    Looking forward to reading your views on QPR!
     
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    Glad you’re still doing it, good for you. Are you feeling the benefit? Important to find ways to carry on challenging yourself.

    I don’t want to get into all the old stuff about who and what to believe, just wanted to say that I thought it inaccurate to describe Campbell as such. I realise it was a copy and paste from Steel’s post, but I think anyone who hadn’t heard of him before might get the wrong impression. He’s been fair and balanced and seemingly well informed throughout.

    I’m well out of touch with QPR. Last game I went to was a 2-1 win over WRDC, maybe early 2020? Watched a few games via stream last season, enjoyed the early season hope, but never saw us take any team apart, it was all about the fighting spirit, finding a late goal to win by one. Nothing wrong with winning like that, but it felt fragile, and ultimately was.

    But that’s QPR, nothing new to us!
     
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    At a G7 meeting last year Boris Johnson promised to deliver 100 million surplus Covid vaccines to poorer countries within a year. A year later we've provided just 36.5 million and have effectively charged the recipients by deducting the cost from existing aid. Oh, and we've put a mark-up on the original purchase price.
     
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    His Chinese masters will not be pleased as
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    Tedros Adhanom the DG of the WHO admitted in private the source of Covid19 was the Wuhan lab after a catastrophic accident in 2019.

    The Wuhan lab theory was at first dismissed as a "conspiracy theory."


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