Coronavirus: Please use this thread for all COVID19 talk!

That's why a reliable test, trace and isolate program should have been a priority from day one,

 

I don't know lateral flow from my Auntie Flo I'm afraid mate. Haven't really been keeping up, just trying to be a good citizen.

The woman who got infected let out her spare room on air bnb, so she think that's probably how she got infected. She needed the money.

 

Yeah test and trace is very hit and miss in the UK.

 

Test accuracy a concern for the fast test. Stay safe and sane mate this is a long haul effort.

 

Ireland about to pause reopening indoors for two weeks pushing back till 19th July...The only country in the EU not to have it opened. We have under 50 people in the whole country in hospital and 12 in ICU. Acceptable risk gone out the window. I really hate this country at the moment

 

Is that to increase the vaccination numbers? You have a high delta variant infected population on your doorstep. Or could it be a result of supporting Germany?
Ireland
Total doses given 3,68M
People fully vaccinated 1M
% fully vaccinated 20,4%

 

I believe he hit over 4m in the last day or two. We have been ultra cautious since xmas. We are way, way behind where ye are at the moment with little justification for it it's widely noted...200 fans allowed in a 50k seater stadium yesterday for example!

 

More caution, quicker action on lockdowns and border controls and an effective test, trace and isolate program would have saved many lives and much suffering in the UK. Current result for me is not being able to travel to the UK from the Netherlands unless essential. That's with quarantines both ends.

By the way how do you describe or quantify "acceptable risk" given the current delta variant, it's increased transmission and likelihood of serious illness.?

 

keeping indoor dining a further 2 weeks is going to have little or no effect on hospitalisations or deaths in Ireland. They are the metrics that need to be looked at by and large, not just cases or we are never going to move on. The government have basically admitted all decision making is being delegated to NPHET (equivalent of SAGE) and one man in particular Tony Holohan who is extremely anti alcohol. This decision is really not rooted in any sort of Science. Their worst case projections over the past few months have been wildly pessimistic and in reality there have been no problems and things haven't gotten anywhere near as bad. Even now the worst case scenarios don't lead to hospitals being overwhelmed. Pubs haven't been open in Dublin for 469 days . Ah sure what's another two weeks to publicans/workers who are really struggling will be the response. What will they do if cases go up in the two weeks, delay indefinitely again? The vaccines are the end of this I would have thought as they are keeping people out of hospital and from being seriously ill. Thankfully most other countries in Europe see this and are getting on with things, Sadly Ireland is the outlier

 

Yer man Holohan is a rare beast in Ireland. Lived and worked in Cork City turn of the century some fearsome nights out fondly remembered. Hopefully a middle way with vaccines and some responsible behaviour there's a way forward.

 

Yep, you would hope so alright. Cork is a good spot. Good nightlife and sound people

 

Welcome to our world.

 

****ers

 

We are a lot further back sadly. NPHET gave batshit crazy projections today that were plucked from their proverbial that scared the government into pushing back reopening of indoor hospitality. I can't begin to convey how mad their worst case scenario projections are. They are also refusing to have them peer reviewed! Nobody is buying this though and there is serious backlash
Now they have said they will have some plan by the 19th July to work out how to get fully vaccinated people back to pubs. They won't be open by August and then they'll remain closed to protect school opening. The same thing has happened all through. Hold firm, the next two weeks are crucial. They have said the ridiculous situation is ok where a young person not eligible for a vaccine yet can work serving fully vaccinated people for a meal but won't be able to eat or drink themselves in said establishment themselves. They also won't entertain the idea of Antigen Tests with our Director General of the Health Service referring to them as snake oil.
England look like they are opening fully on July 19th and are going to at least attempt to live with covid. Ireland's decision makers will continue to cower in fear and let an unelected public servant run the country. Never once has what it will take to end all restrictions in Ireland been mentioned in public by those making the rules. Not much point in me ranting here on an English football forum but just want to highlight how crazy this country has become!

 

Let's hope oral or (large) suppository options become available and a breathalyser test for those that find swabbing difficult.

 

Pretty much guaranteed that most restrictions will go on the 19th July.

#ditchthefacemasks
#orderapintatthebar
#nomorefakecrowdnoise
#letsstartlivingagain

 

Following the science? Or choosing which science to follow.?
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ovid-restrictions-scientists-warnings-england
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ovid-rules-is-like-building-variant-factories

 

We're not governed by viroligists, we are governed by elected representatives, who listen to advice from all appropriate quarters, then hopefully take informed, considered decisions.

Yeah, I know; our elected representatives are often self serving and untrustworthy. Nonetheless, consideration has to be given to many factors, risks have to be balanced, and life has to go on. The damage lockdown has caused has barely begun to be assessed, but expect it to be very high indeed. That has to be offset against the continuing risks, such as they are, of the virus to a largely vaccinated population.

 

There has to be a middle way. A largely vaccinated population notwithstanding the rise in infections is alarming both in the UK and overseas with more countries likely to ban all but essential travel with vaccination and test requirements. That's us unable to go to/from the UK and Netherlands much as we are desperate to visit family and vice versa. We're both in high risk groups so keep ourselves safe as we see fit which means avoiding crowds, using masks, hygiene and restricting contacts.
Government numbers, people tested positive. Latest data provided on 4 July 2021. Daily 24,248, Last 7 days 173,662, 69,610 (66.9%). A breeding ground for varients, heaven forbid a mutation which hits the young or the vaccinated appears.

 

Picking up on an earlier theme regarding wandering Mancs crossing over Hadrian's wall, I am not hearing any comment from this side of the border concerning the potential barring of our Caledonian friends heading southwards now that Glasgow is the Covid capital of Europe. I was wondering if Ms Sturgeon would be making any statement regarding the potential for the contagion to be spread across in to England and was curious as to what logic might be present which indicates that the Scottish as somewhat less contagious than the English.

As the chant goes, "it has all gone quiet over there."