I agree that track and trace is key. But what if a vaccine doesn't arrive? I think it's a dangerous assumption to make that it definitely will.
You’re not alone there. The impact on mental health is one of the hidden costs of lockdown. Don’t want to teach you to suck eggs (wtf does that mean?), but try to have a strategy to get through it if we lockdown again, remember that it will pass eventually, and don’t be embarrassed to seek help.
I'm just very grateful that I've got secure employment that won't be affected. Could be seeing millions of job losses in the next month or two.
The development of TTI should have been a priority. Other countries have working programs why aren't they used in the UK and elsewhere. Looking at the WHO and EMA and other vaccine tracking sites which talk in terms of a number of vaccines being developed to target groups and different strains. Progress is being made in developing effective treatments using existing medicines possibly in combinations. The rules and regulations are being flouted in many countries people claiming individual rights over collective responsibility. Selfish arrogant arseholes of which Cummings is a prime example.
You've not answered the question of what happens if a vaccine doesn't arrive. Treatments might be the best we get.
Think I'm right in saying that a successful vaccine has never been developed for a coronavirus, though a lot more efforts are obviously going into this one.
I'm fortunate in being retired with sufficient income and support to survive CV and brexit. Governments have a duty to provide for the wellbeing, physically and mentally, of all. We need to be aware of others who, for whatever reason, need help that isn't forthcoming.
Agree about treatments progress has been and continues to be made. I haven't got an answer re vaccines i wish I had. As I said the WHO and EMA sites are worth a visit there is hope has to be.
What is the view here on the COVID App? From a security point of view I can say with 100% certainty that it is anonymous. If more people used it then maybe that would help the T&T? The beauty of it is that your location and your identity is never sent anywhere and all there is on a central server is a random unique serial number that can be removed by reinstalling the app. This unique number is stored along with all unique numbers that you have been in contact with for more than 15 minutes for 14 days. If one of those numbers report that they have COVID, then your phone is alerted via the app push notification anonymously. Your unique number is not sent with any data when you 'check in' using the app either as this sends your real name and address for T&T purposes. Is the non use a case of people not wanting to know in case they have the moral dilemma of having to self isolate? (The app isolation is advisory and not enforceable).
I don't think it works well enough at the moment. There's no functionality to check out of venues so far I believe. So if I went for a pub lunch at 12 and left at half one, someone who later tests positive could then come in at 7 and I'd get told to isolate. Unless that's changed recently.
That's shocking. What on earth shall we do. Stay at ohm? I suppose we should remain positive. I am sure Jonson will come in for a battery of criticism but I will do my best to remain neutral and not charge ahead with foul abuse as is the current trend.
But that is similar surely to me going to the pub at lunch (without the app) and leaving my name and address. They don't clock me in and out?
A friend of mine who is a GP, and who has just survived the Covid-19, still hasn’t downloaded the app. I won’t be either. But it’s not the app that’s the problem, it’s the clowns running T&T.
True. But when the phone calls start it may go into more detail, most places I've been to have texting facility rather than writing name down. But if I got a phonecall saying we had a positive customer come in Saturday evening I would then know I'm alright. Whereas an app is just pure guesswork.
I'm not installing it. I work on a university campus. We're using visors, gloves, masks, wiping everything down before and after use etc...I'm also using my natural antipathy for people to keep sources of possible infection well away. Because of my role, I put myself in the position where I could be a contact to half the student population so I'm damned sure that I'm not going to offer up my details so that I have to isolate every time we get a new batch of cases
