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Its not that extreme to be honest sure it happens more than any of us even realise. There dosent seem to be any logic in how hes organised the tiers though. Exeter for example is in tier 1 but has a much higher covid rate than Bolton which is in tier 2. Were doomed basically ,doomed.

 

Good luck with it all, can't say it's much, if any, better over here. The government wear wooden shoes to stop the woodpeckers attaching their heads. Poor guidance, little policing of regulations, no comprehensive test and trace, the app doesn't work Besides that there's conspiraloons like Willem Engle and his virus truthers. https://northerntimes.nl/groningen-professor-sounds-alarm-over-coronavirus-skeptics/ Stay safe all.

 

As many has said, it is much simpler, easier to enforce and have greater cooperation if everyone is treated equally, and I think a two week complete shutdown could have the majority behind it as it has a clear start and end.
Personally I think three weeks would be a safer period.
However the government have to make it difficult so that they can blame others when it goes wrong again.

 

The list of people left to blame must be getting towards the end now surely? Cant be to many more to tick off.

 

Tories accusing Starmer of political opportunism - because he wants to follow the science.

 

And because he’s a politician.

Interesting that this government, who’ve already done more than any other to degrade their profession, should use it as an insult.

 

And this ladies and gentlemen will cause yet another spike no doubt

 

Absolutely shocking and selfish in the extreme and showing no concern for the sick, the vulnerable, the elderly or our medical people. Young people today have it all and are the biggest whingers I know. I am off to my solicitor to rewrite my will leaving all my worldly wealth to a well known charity. They should be able to feed a dog for a few weeks with what I have in my Post Office Savings Account.

 

What did you expect ? The lockdown didnt come into play until today. Dont blame them , blame Boris and his brigade of clowns.

 

Not sure what to make of Starmer, at the moment.
I think he has been playing the “give them enough rope to hang themselves” game, by not over contesting the government’s covid decisions for fear of being accused of being political, but in this case I think he is on the money.
The government is not just ignoring the advice from SAGE, they aren’t even offering to help those in the most vulnerable groups, saying that they should continue to work, even if they are in a Tier 3 region.
143 deaths Monday and the upsurge in covid admissions to hospital, the majority being elderly, demands a better response from the government.

 

He's a canny lawyer. He has sat back while the defendant has given his evidence whilst noting the flaws in the case for the defence. Now he has amassed enough he is going in for the kill. Pfeffel is totally fecked now, caught between the science and those who don't care how many die just as long as their shares don't take a hit.

 

I think there was a genuine willingness on the part of the leader of the opposition, to unite behind the government in a time of national crisis. But Bozo and the rest of the circus has made such a hash of literally every decision, that it’s no longer possible or credible to stand behind them.

 

I have absolutely no doubt that it is a piece of political opportunism. But that isn't the reason that Starmer has done it. He has genuinely flagged up the following the science and the spin off is that there is a political win for him and damage to Pfeffel.

 

What is the science? You could find a group of scientists to support any action. Not that there aren't facts...there are...but after that, there are opinions and crystal ball gazing. And people seem to ignore the fact that most European countries are expecting trouble and have made mistakes...and have changed decisions as they have gone along.

And anyone who thinks the government doesn't care about death rates is quite frankly prejudiced by their political views...politicians are human. However, there are other issues that can't be ignored....the economy may come second, but it is a close second because lives are being damaged by factors other than Covid.

 

The science - as defined by the government themselves please note - is the advice offered by SAGE. And ignored because of the potential adverse effects on the personal fortunes of many Tory MP's, their friends and political donors.

 

And re the Liverpool street parties....if I was told there was a shutdown coming because of an outbreak of a serious disease, my first thought would be that I should increase vigilance...it wouldn't be to party, because it must be safe before the arbitrary date set by the government.

 

Straw man argument. Whataboutery.

 

Don’t assume that everyone is as cynical as you.

 

So where do we start? With Cheltenham, Liverpool. vs Atletico, the rugby, Johnson's gung ho handshaking boast (that went well didn't it?) Add the number of high profile floutings of the regulations as an example and what do you expect? The deserved two fingers of scorn from those partying in the street and elsewhere. We have erred on the side of caution avoiding crowds leaving any situation whenever we've felt uneasy. We'll be in this **** for the foreseeable future, normal Christmas my arse!