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Discussion in 'Watford' started by andytoprankin, Mar 21, 2020.

  1. Hornet-Fez

    Hornet-Fez Well-Known Member

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    I forgot the ;) at the end of my rant so its nuance was lost.
    I too was a Lib, LD, voter. I remember you saying as such before.
    Yes, politically disenfranchised. Totally.
     
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    And thanks to Brexit I have lost even the chance to vote here now.
     
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    Strange thing is because I have always worked, bought house etc I have always been better off under the Tories and worse of under Labour

    I just want a Government that represents everyone, protects the economy and doesn't desert the genuinely needy
     
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  4. Hornet-Fez

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    I set out my stall in here a few years ago, in answer to one of our more belligerent former members.
     
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  5. duggie2000

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    A Super Hornets fan perchance
     
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  6. andytoprankin

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    I’m a socialist, so feel totally disenfranchised at the moment. There’s no way I could vote Labour, for me there’s not much more than a cigarette paper between Starmer and the Tories.
    I always find it incredible the way the Tories project that they protect the economy, when they roundly **** it every time they’re in. It’s an incredible act of marketing, misdirection, whatever. They project they are low tax party, but always apply the highest tax burden. They triple (quadruple now?) the national debt, but project they are party of financial prudence. I’m always gobsmacked how they manage to make the voters buy all the crap they serve up, but buy it they do.
    I don’t really like the current set of Greens, but I’m probably more closely aligned with them.
    That said, the shower of ****e that our current government is, the shower of immoral ****es so many MPs are, the shower of **** that is our media, I just pretty much give up.
     
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    Giving up is exactly what politicians hope that you will do. Get in there, create a sore, then keep prodding it until you get a response. Know the system, find the weak spot in the way it operates, then start asking questions that the politician might know the answer to, but probably doesn't if you get into the details. Some politicians of all parties really do get into it to make the country a better place, but the current crop elevated to government posts are only trying to polish their egos, and create wealth for themselves.
     
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    This is Harold MacMillan, a stuffy old Tory, as PM he built 1.5m social homes, all public services were nationalised, university was free & the wealthy paid high taxes. Inequality fell, life expectancy increased & the economy grew. He'd be called a commie or a marxist nowadays.
     
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  9. Hornet-Fez

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    Has he heard a voice from above telling him the time has come to go?

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    After the death knell sounded for the NHS last night - some thoughts on why from a friend...

    The Tory Health Secretary apparently still holds shares in C3.ai, an artificial intelligence company that produces software solutions for the healthcare industry. Until recently, Mr Javid was earning about £800,000 per year from secondary employment (just scraping by, I know), which included payments of £151k a year from C3.ai, plus an option for 666.7 common shares per month, which he valued at £45,000 in the register of MPs' interests. That's £45k, per month. In other words, a total of over £690k per year, just with C3.ai.

    Interestingly, Mr Javid only started declaring this employment in the register dated just a few months ago. Given that the register gets updated about 20 times each year, I'm going to assume that it was fairly recently that C3.ai suddenly discovered that Sajid Javid was worth over £7,000 an hour to them, and hired him on. That's some level of value - I'll bet even their own CEO doesn't pull in £7k an hour. I do wonder what he gives them for that investment. I'll note without comment that he became Health Secretary in June.

    According to most recent copy of the register just last week, Mr Javid is still getting £690k from C3.ai, along with £150k from JP Morgan (at a paltry £1,600 per hour), and £20k for a speech. I know of another person who was interested in this story, who contacted the government about it in the summer - only to be told that Mr Javid no longer worked for either C3.ai or JP Morgan. His own entries in the register tell a very different story. I don't know whether Sajid Javid exercised his £45k per month option to pick up shares in C3.ai - but I don't for a moment believe that he'd simply walk away from an income that most professional footballers would envy. If he has these shares, it's possible he stands to make millions from the healthcare privatisation agenda he's now pushing on behalf of his government. This is an enormous conflict of interest, as his own register indicates that he stands to profit hugely from the privatisation of healthcare.

    Why is it people like me, and not, say, the BBC who are asking these questions?

    Why indeed...
     
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    No he would not Frenchie, he would be called right of centre forward thinking and a representative of the population

    Only a PM who preferred the company of ISIS or the like and was owned and run by disruptive trade unions who were intent on destroying the Car Industry, the motor Cycle Industry and manufacturing in general would be accused of being a Commie or Marxist
     
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    Possibly the last one nation Tory PM. To listen to some of the current government trying to claim that mantle is beyond parody.
     
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  14. Bolton's Boots

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    Supposedly an MP, but too busy doing his second job to do his first job.

     
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    I wonder if he helped get this deal sorted?

    "HM Revenue and Customs has struck a deal to relocate tax officials into a new office complex in Newcastle owned by major Conservative party donors through an offshore company based in BVI."
     
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    I think what Frenchie was implying was that the 'centre' of British politics has moved so far to the right that any manifesto of the 50s 60s or 70s appears as far left now against the modern political landscape. Unfortunately this applies to other countries as well.
     
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    Manipulated by the mulitnational owned media for their own ends.... so sad... and people just dont think for themselves and get taken in by it...
     
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    Health Minister Lord Bethell said £2.8bn worth of stock has been found to be unusable by the NHS. Stockpiles of excess PPE are costing the Government £1million a day to store, the Mirror can reveal today.
    It includes thousands of shipping containers piled high beside the UK’s largest commercial port.
    Over the last four months, the Department for Health paid contractor Uniserve £124m for “storage costs”. Gov just published its October figures & Uniserve have landed another £28m for 'storage costs'.
    Uniserve are one of the contractors who supplied this excess of PPE so are still making money from it.
    What appears to be the group holding company, Uniserve Holdings Limited, is controlled by a Mr Iain Liddell.
    You can see him here with his MP, Julia Lopez, who until this September was working in the Cabinet Office. According to evidence presented to the High Court, the VIP lane of contract awards were generated in the Cabinet office.
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  19. Bolton's Boots

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    And the lucky Tory MP with the second job of 'advising the owners' of said largest commercial port, on a 7 hours per week basis for £100,000 per year, is none other than Failing Grayling - aka the only man who could lose a rigged election. To add to the mire, the owners are Hutchison Port Holdings Ltd - a company incorporated in the British Virgin Islands. No doubt Geoffrey Cox recommended him for the job - for a fat fee...
     
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