It looks like Liverpudlians might be the first guinea pigs. The Army are being sent in to test children in a school in Liverpool - without parental consent. https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/h...in-testing-children-without-parental-consent/
Listening to the news briefing tonight it was obvious that this will continue well into next year. If you are old enough, sufficient batches of a vaccine if approved are available, mass production of it can be arranged and a proper distribution system is built, then you might get it next Spring or Summer. If you are younger it is possible that it could be much later. So while some might be treated many more will still be having to take precautions similar to those in place now.
Anyone seen the film Elysium with Jodie Foster and Matt Damon? Give it 100 years but the disparity is already all too obvious.
Yes... good film.... I enjoy SF very much However I do think there is the will to literally 'save the world'... thank fully we have Biden in the US who will play ball with the WHO etc I expect to get my doses in the spring if all goes well... ... interstingly i wonder if David Icke and others will be preaching against taking it, as it is part of a conspiracy to insert us all with microchips etc!
Your glass is half full, mine half empty. As for Icke: I have family that follow that moron. I despair sometimes, I really do.
He has a base near Hebden Bridge.... and lots of decent yorkshire people have been lulled into his rhetoric.... including very good friends of mine....crazy.....
Not Icke, but Trump. He has quietly changed the terms while appealing for more money. Monies donated to the party will now go 60% to a non-profit company run by him, and 40% to the Republicans. Has he been getting advice about getting a decent payoff from the UK?
Fascinating insight from a former senior advisor as to why the government tried to break the treaty signed with the EU earlier this year. They thought it would make a good negotiating position with the EU, and would be backed by the US. Of course that has been blown out of the water with Trump out of play. All of the past Tory party leaders have been very much against the current stance, and have said in no uncertain terms that breaking international law is not what the country should be thinking about. The mauling the bill received in the Lords last night should make them think again. and people from all wings of the party are telling the leadership to quietly drop the clauses in the bill. Will Cummings allow Johnson to take the advice?
Let them know that the most successful anti-vax organisation in the world has been a Taliban/Al Qaeda alliance. They successfully stopped the eradication of Polio, for example. More recently they have been putting substantial funds into US anti-vax organisations. Al Qaeda sees these groups as a very good way of creating division in the west.
For possibly the first time ever I agree with Farage. "After years of failure, Britain is now caught in a trap between Brussels and Washington. Stranded in the mid-Atlantic, we have played ourselves into a form of checkmate."
A small number of fans are being let into the ground to watch N. Ireland play tonight. Those fans have to go through the tunnel and be sprayed.
Today is the end of two weeks since we entered the second wave lockdown here. The government have stated that they believe the virus will peak early next week, then slowly fall. If this is correct and the UK follows a similar pattern, which it has so far, then things will continue to worsen there for another 7 - 10 days.
The same thing is being said here Frenchie. Such a time span appears to imply that the time difference between contracting the disease and actually receiving a positive test result is about 2 weeks - if that were not the case then you would see the results of a lockdown much earlier. So we are sending people into quarantine after 14 days of infection, once the damage has been done ! Getting this time span down, and catching infections early should have been the goal from day one, and this can only be done through mass indiscriminate testing of entire population groups - if necessary on a compulsory basis. The Chinese did this in Wuhan but softened the blow by paying all citizens inside the exclusion zone a citizens basic income for the duration.
I am not sure where the Chinese obtained all of the testing kits from to be able to move so quickly, but it seems that France and the UK just didn't have them. I am not sure how many were available in Germany, but they certainly had the lab space to process them. The local authorities in the UK were at one time well prepared to carry out tracking and tracing of possible infection, but instead the government tried to outsource the operation to people who knew nothing about it. It has been clear that where the locals have become involved tracing is far more successful. Although a basic income for all seems fair if you are going to stop everything, there is a huge difference between what that would have to be in a low wage economy and a rich western country. It could work if the rich who could get by without it had it clawed back through taxation at a date when things are back to normal. If a vaccine does become available for all, I can see that there will be some who refuse it. Does that become a case for compulsion?
The Chinese testing kits were not 100% reliable Frenchie but they were good enough for the job at hand. I have always been in favour of the unconditional citizens income which would replace all other benefit payments, and the bureaucracy involved. Now would have been a good chance to experiment with it in a restricted area, over a limited period. It is being tried out in some Western countries such as in parts of Finland, and also in the city of Utrecht - only time will tell if it is really practiceable over a whole country. As for vaccination - I will come over as being very hard on this but those who are offered it and refuse would never fly again, would never cross a border again, would never get a job again, would never be able to use the NHS if they get sick, and would be held as criminally liable if they infect anyone else at any stage. We're both old enough to remember the diseases which were around in the 50s and 60s - and the Polio vaccinations in schools. Not too mention Tuberculosis and smallpox (outbreaks in Bradford, Birmingham and Cardiff), and a host of other things such as measles and mumps. We were all vaccinated - it was as simple as that. And the virus free bubble we have lived in for the last 50 years has been based on vaccinations, medication, clean water and hygiene. If people who reject vaccination want to go back to 19th Century conditions and a life expectancy of 45 then they can do it - but on their own, they have no right to endanger other people with their esoteric luxury.
The children here have a list of vaccinations they have to have before they can start school which is a form of compulsion. Any new vaccine will have to be proven over time to provide a lengthy protection before you can usefully add it to such a list. I would also make it compulsory as it has to be as much a need as providing any public service that is for the good of all. Quite what penalties can be imposed I am not sure, but I can see possible ways of preventing travel if you do not have the right vaccinations, which does exist already in some countries.
