I am not excited in the least, I am disgusted by the beahviour of BoJo and his inner circle... and his latest proclamations meaning thousand mnore people will infect others and people will die.... We all know you get a thrill boasting about your hero and his mates....
Zero in Scotland today too but with eight new infections. The border issue has already been a tricky one - to date, the police have managed to turn back quite a few 'holidaymakers', mainly because they are obvious (caravans & campervans), using the fixed travel distance rules and closed holiday accommodation/camp sites, but plenty have somehow still managed to sneak through. Next week will be a challenge when the travel restrictions are lifted - am not really looking forward to that, even if businesses are.
...and you can get back to your cooking lasagne for the homeless.... I cannot abide liars.... which is why I cannot abide the PM
If you have nothing to say about the coronavirus or the way that the government is handling it, stay away SH.
It is paradoxical that a United Kingdom, even with regional devolution cannot agree on common principles.....
Just stumbled across this on Twitter - the government gave a £108m contract for the supply of PPE to a company speclalsing in the "Wholesale of sugar and chocolate and sugar confectionery". As it wasn't the only instance of £108m contracts being handed out, it seems that Johnson & co are handing them out like sweeties - no doubt to thier shady mates.
Difficult to work out just how the parties in France stand tonight after the 2nd round of voting finally took place after the 1st round in March. These elections are for the town and city Mayors. Edouard Philippe who is the French Prime Minister is also the Mayor of Le Havre, but has very much been the face of the government's fight against the virus. He is a centrist politician, just to the right probably, but he romped home getting 60% of the vote against his communist rival. The extreme right and left have had some success in one or two places, but the real winners seem to be the Green parties with their associates. Macron and his party have not done well in some places, but have held on well in others. His problems have come from the Greens who do not think he has moved fast enough to get to grips with environmental issues. The real loser has to be democracy as only around 40% of those who could vote did.
Macron's party failed to win control of any major city, his days in office are numbered, maybe until 2022.
I am afraid that you don't know what you are talking about. For a start many of the people standing to be Mayor are not affiliated to any party, although many are from the centre of French politics. Secondly many of the results have not been declared so there is no way that you can tell the results. What we are seeing is that the days of the right wing parties are in decline You are looking at it through the narrow view of how English politics works, and it is nothing like that at all.
It is you that has a peculiar stance on these elections, every news report on the subject claims Macron has done badly. He was hoping these elections would be a springboard for the 2022 elections which has failed badly. The vast majority of candidates are affiliated to political parties. If you are going to report such things try to get somewhere near the truth. France's local elections set to deal blow to Macron - Telegraphwww.telegraph.co.uk › news › 2020/06/28 › frances-lo... Even your beloved Guardian states "the election delivered the predicted blow to Macron's party, which has failed to take root locally since it was founded four years ago" It does seem anybody but Macron at the moment.
You really should take your head out of the sand, learn a bit about the hundreds of political parties, their alliances where they choose to make them, and watch the results as they are declared. I doubt that you could tell the difference between the Parti National-Libéral and Lutte Ouvrière. When you look up your own information from the French websites that are available rather than believe the English press, then come back with some revised opinions.
I don't actually know if Frenchie has ever actually quoted from the Guardian SH. He can answer that better than I can - at any rate nobody on here quotes consistently from any one newspaper as much as you do - you also quote from a paper which has a pay wall which none of us on here would go through. So, your darling Torygraph tells you that Macron's days are done and you lap it up - it may well be so, but this tells us a lot more about you than it does about Macron. Starting with the obvious question of why you always try to derail this thread to distract attention from your government's disastrous handling of the Corona crisis - which is, after all, what this is supposed to be about. The second is why you always turn every debate into an attack on France, and everything French, which is intensely boring. The last question is why you are so intent on attacking a politician who is from the far right - in fact, someone who could be described as Thatcherite when referring to his economic programme. Or is your main problem with Macron the fact that he is young, and you are suspicious of the intentions of anyone under 60
You have a completely different spin on the news than others including the French media. It is clear the French experiment with middle of the road politics has had a similar result as in the UK, a rejection by the people. The only difference in France is that you have massive support for a far right party that may well finish in the top two again in 2022. There will be great interest on how your latest scandal of political corruption, the Fillon case, goes today.
If you actually bothered to check it was Frenchie who went off the thread subject, as he often does when it suits him. His whitewash of the actual events was so false I felt obliged it interject. As for him not quoting the Guardian, 90% of his whinges are directly lifted from it. Macron has failed the French people, he is wishy washy, weak and like the previous administrations does not posses the courage or nous to perform the necessary reforms France requires.
Just to put you in the picture cologne, I was watching the results coming through, and wrote my piece before the journalist from the Guardian had put copy up. Reading the news this morning, which is still reporting on polling exits rather than actual results, I feel that my brief comment was fairly accurate, in saying that the Greens had done very well. That was not a surprise seeing as in the first round of voting back in March the signs were there then. Unless you understand the system you wouldn't realise from the headlines in the UK press that roughly half of the councils and mayors were in office from March, and a second round of voting was not required. The UK system might well suit the sheep who only wish to have a couple of options to think about, but here it is far more nuanced with support coming from different spectrums to different candidates. Many candidates from the left received support from Greens and center parties because of their commitment to environment friendly policies. Almost the first result that came through was that of the Prime Minister, who as I said has been the face of the fight against the coronavirus. His handling of the crisis has been good, and he is a popular figure because of it. The comparison between France and the dreadful UK response is stark. You would have to be totally mindless to think that Johnson has been a success, indeed when you see the way that his polling figures plummet you know that he has been found to be wanting.
I don't think you are in a very strong position to be talking about corruption within political parties at present.
As I said the French voted for anybody except Macron's party. The Prime Minister, Philippe, a natural conservative, did well, he will be a threat to Macron at the next election. His strict views on economic migrants has gone down well in France.
Which party are you referring to as far right SH ? Marine Le Pen believes in protectionism as an alternative to free trade. The separation of investment and retail banking. She is opposed to privatization and favours state ownership. She is opposed to speculation on international commodity markets. She is against the common agricultural policy. Opposed to economic globalization. Has pledged to take France out of NATO and the US sphere of influence . Wants the abolition of both the international monetary fund and the WTO. She supports the establishment of a privileged partnership with Russia and believes the Ukraine has been subjugated by the USA, being strongly critical of NATO policy in the region. She is actually so far away from your dream World of free market, unrestrained, capitalism that I would place her somewhere close to George Galloway on a whole range of topics. How is it then that when she says she wants to bring back national borders and place some immigration laws in place that she suddenly appears on the 'far right' ? On 90% of her policies she is to the left of Macron. The only leaning in any other direction is the mistaken belief that nationality is a more potent rallying factor than social class. You may find that Le Pen's policies are standard mainstream left wing policies which would have been found in most European socialist parties prior to the days of multi culturalism. I am not trying to whitewash her - I detest all forms of racism but the expression 'far right' means neo liberal uncontrolled free market economics - in other words your ideology.
