Off Topic Coronavirus and NOTHING to do with football thread

The BBC have had to apologise for its Newsnight presenter's lack of impartiality on last night's programme. Emily Matitlis's rant about Cummings broke the BBC's own rules. She has been hauled off tonights programme to save further embarrassment.

Surprisingly she had not been on the usual lefty Guardian conveyer belt like most of the Newsnight presenters.

 

BBC apologise for breaking their own rules.

Cummings and Boris could learn a lot from the Beeb.

 

The attempts to deny democracy failed miserably so they were feeble. Cummings is an exceptional and successful strategist which is why Boris wants to retain his services. These are facts, you may not like them but they remain facts.

 

No... you continue to use emotive terms... .they are personal perception not facts... if you want to debate, truly, then you cant use them..

You have blotted your copybook with a plethora of such dispaparging remarks... comrade corbyn, whinging lefties etc .... so that is how people see you

Many commentators would view Cummings quite differently... so clearly not facts....

 

I think that it is very noticeable that whenever the lies that Johnson and Cummings have come out with over the past few days, easily proven by a quick look at the internet, you seem to go very quiet. You may be happy to accept this sort of behaviour, but the public at large are not now. It is no good constantly talking about what happened in the past, in the past few months everything has changed in case you haven't noticed. Today an open and honest government is needed, and that will not happen while you have the leaders being dishonest. This is why so many MPs are expressing how unhappy they are with the spin which is the opposite of honest and open.

 

All they have to do is say they were testing their eyesight and spacial awareness before driving 250 miles to drop off a child that may be in danger of catching COVID 19

 

Cummings has ruffled many feathers in the Tory party and some are trying their luck at retribution. This Cummings episode will fade away leaving the government to get on with the long term job. Most sensible folk realise it is the usual political posturing and want the government and opposition to concentrate on more important issues. There will be a temporary loss of support for Boris but of course nothing like the depths the French President has sunk to in the last few years.

 

Even Cummings enemies concede he has a knack for devising successful strategies. Johnson clearly appreciates his extraordinary abilities which is why he has gambled much on keeping his most trusted aid.

 

So as I said, you are happy to accept lies and condone them? Everywhere you look politicians and public are saying the same thing, we want an honest leadership. I find it very sad that you are someone who puts party ahead of people"s lives, because that is the effect of spreading confusion about what advice people should follow, when the leaders actions say they don"t actually care.

 

Every bit of rhetoric is about how much Johnson needs Cummings and that in itself is the damning indictment of this whole episode. This isn't about Cummings anymore and perhaps it never was. It's about why Cummings matters so much to Boris and why the Cabinet matters so little. What this ****storm demonstrates perfectly is the power of Cummings (which tbf we already suspected) but importantly his power directly in contrast to the weakness of Cabinet ministers. This Prime Minister has no one in Cabinet or elsewhere he trusts and needs in the way he trusts and needs Cummings.

Consider for a moment, an aide giving his own press conference in the garden at Downing Street and a couple of hours later a Prime Minister actually telling journalists 'the points being raised have already been answered by the aide'. A Prime Minister deferring his responsibility in subservience to an unelected official. Couple that with the fact Cabinet ministers were ordered out to dispense barely credible justifications of an aide's actions.

Boris knows there's a financial/economic nightmare coming as a result of this Covid-19 crisis. He knows he won't be able to cope with the fallout without Cummings because there isn't anyone who he really trusts enough or has faith in other than Cummings to get him through it. Certainly no one he considers as important in Cabinet.... many of whom listen to Cummings more than they listen to Tory MPs. And there are many Tory MP's who see this as a problem and rightly so, as should anyone who believes in parliamentary democracy.

 

Sorry SH, you cannot simply change the subject when your attitude to saving lives is being discussed. Edited by OFH.

 

Blair relied heavily on Campbell for many years, Thatcher had her special confidents including Willie Whitelaw and later Alan Walters. Cummings may be unpleasant but he has been proved right on several occasions. The recent Tory victory was spectacular, much of that success was down to him.

 

You are really struggling when you have to delete posts with alternative views.

pathetic.

 

Willie Whitelaw was Home Secretary Walters was there at the same time as Whitelaw and for a couple of years only. And although Whitelaw was a confident, Thatcher never depended on those names at the expense of others in her Cabinet either as she had political heavyweights in their own right there. Same with Blair. And therein lies the difference. Blair and Thatcher were also strong leaders in their own right. They led the likes of Whitelaw, Tebbit, Walters and Campbell.

 

No, just trying to stop you wandering off topic when you are being questioned to explain your attitude. Simple.

 

Frenchie, the Chinese might be looking for somebody like you in Hong Kong.

 

You really should try to debate like a grown up, not take your ball away when you have fallen on your backside.

 

Debate involves discussing the same thing at the same time. You do not have debate if one person is talking about football and the other person is talking about cookery. Just keep on topic and you will find it works.

 

Debate involves accepting other views than your own can be discussed. You clearly have no faith in your own ability so desperately rely on the delete button.

It really is pathetic.

 

As I have just said, it has to be on the same subject. If you wish to discuss something different go to a more appropriate thread.