A devastating critique by a professional about the response from the UK government. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/health-expert-brands-uks-coronavirus-response-pathetic
I am pretty certain that I will abandon going to the match.. My main worry is the trains etc. And i am old with a long term condition.. .... Anybody got any views on whether air conditioning recirculates the air?
latest update is that La liga and the Eredivisie are postponed for the next 2 rounds (in the Netherlands this also applies to the second division). There will be no top league football in Italy, Switzerland, Austria and Denmark until further notice, and the top divisions in Germany, France, Portugal and Belgium will be held behind closed doors.
The Australian Grand Prix has been called off, two senior Formula 1 sources have told BBC Sport. There has been no official confirmation from F1 or governing body the FIA but the news follows a McLaren team member testing positive for coronavirus. The situation rapidly developed throughout Thursday night in Melbourne and an announcement that the race will not take place is now expected. The decision throws into doubt the rest of the Formula 1 season.
It is quite easy for the Guardian to find some obscure odd bod to disagree with the UK government's senior experts. After the excellent budget it was scraping the barrel to fabricate a story.
Which pieces of the article do you disagree with? And please leave the political remarks out of this thread.
That's another one of those pesky experts at it again OFH, they will be ignored and little Union Jack flags will be waived.
In a situation unlike any other experienced before, what is and what is not correct in trying to deal with this disease is very much open to personal opinion. Whilst every effort should be taken to mitigate the disease's effect, we are unfortunately living through a situation whereby mistakes could easily be made or on the other hand pure luck in decision making could have a positive response. Will the person responsible for the article you have highlighted OFH, hold his hand up and say he got it wrong and the UK has dealt with it in a manner which has minimised as much as possible the trauma which will most probably affect many thousands of lives when the pandemic peaks in the UK in the coming weeks? When hindsight becomes a very valuable asset, he will almost certainly stick his head in the sand and keep quiet if he has got it wrong. Huge lessons need to be learned from this to hopefully benefit future generations against anything similar happening again. The author would be best served to repeat the very important and valuable message which is simply, wash your hands frequently with hot water and soap, sneeze into a tissue or sleeve as this will save many, many more people from contracting or spreading the disease. The disease is worldwide, it was never going to be stopped from spreading from country to country unless the whole world agreed to close every border and every person worldwide self-isolated from the very start. We are living a nightmare scenario, it is here in the UK and we need to unite in dealing with it and not criticise for the sake of criticising. We had enough of that with Brexit.
Who tour has been postponed by the band, first of many I guess. (if I were cynical I might think 2 70 year old rockers were worried)
This is not trolling, it is disagreeing with a biased newspaper desperate to find a story to somehow damage the elected government. It is purely political.
Unfortunately some on this forum, that currently live outside of the UK, try desperately, at every opportunity, to knock the UK government.
Not at all SH. I read the French news each day before looking at what is happening in the UK, so it is quite easy to make comparisons. If I could read German or Spanish I would be able to get an even larger spread. I have just been speaking to my daughter who is one of those very hard working NHS staff. As I have told you before she works in two hospitals, and they are both treating patients with the coronavirus. Her worry is that there are no arrangements to even test the staff that are coming into contact with those patients. Can anyone explain why a nurse in direct contact with someone who they are treating is not thought worth enough to test? They are currently turning operating theatres into additional wards and cancelling all operations unless they are things such as road traffic accidents. There were six people today who should have had operations where she would have been in the theatre, all of which were cancelled. We have just heard how the Italian hospital system is unable to provide a bed for everyone who needs to be hospitalized and they have 50% more beds than the UK. Germany has 4 times as many beds and France 3 times as many beds in their hospital systems. Perhaps you would like to explain why the UK is different and doesn't need these beds. Are you happy with this situation SH, because my daughter is far from happy with it?
Of course mistakes will be made Flitton because we are trying to cope with a completely new situation - and there is no country in the western World which is coping with this effectively. The only countries which have passed the peek on this are Asian ones and we should be learning how they did it and applying the same methods. Actually I made a mistake when I said it was a 'completely new situation' because as a kid i remember that we all had to have innoculation against a broad spread of diseases - Polio and TB were still around in the 60s, scarlet fever and measles regularly did the rounds as well - there were also 2 major flu epidemics in 1957 and 1968/69 which killed over a million respectively (Worldwide). So we have the experience it is just a long way back - but one thing which was, and has always been, normal is that you begin by seeling off badly affected areas immediately. This was done in the past in England - both Blackpool and Coventry were unable to play home matches for 3 months because of outbreaks (this was in the 60s). Germany currently has 2,500 registered cases of this - 1,200 of these are in North Rhine Westphalia and of those 500 are in the place where it first appeared - a small municipality near Mönchengladbach. So the logical step - which followed every precedent in history, would have been to cordon off the entire area immediately and have brought supplies in by helicopter - naturally this would have brought the place to a standstill but the economic loss could have been compensated by bringing in an unconditional basic income for each citizen for the duration of the crisis - a kind of trial run for an idea which has been circulating anyway. Had this been done quickly many of the subsequent cases in NRW could have been prevented.
The head of the NHS was on TV today saying the NHS was extremely versatile and would adapt and cope to meet a large increase in coronavirus patients. He said in the event of a large percentage of the UK population requiring beds no amount of 'reserve' beds would suffice. I would expect routine operations for minor ailments in all effected countries to be postponed to allow an adequate supply of beds for coronavirus. I would rather take notice of the head of the NHS than somebody with very limited local knowledge.
If the secretive communist regime in China had not covered up the original outbreak by jailing those that tried to report it, none of us would be in this mess. Their slowness, due to potential financial concern, made this outbreak much worse than it should have been.
Did you read in the French news about the very large increase in French deaths, even more in Spain. Tragically Italy are really suffering with nearly 200 new deaths today. Germany remains relatively unscathed so far.
That is not the point SH. I would not deny that their initial reaction to it was secretive but once they did own up to it their dealing with it has been impressive.
