Off Topic Corona virus

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Eireleeds1 said:
Its all very well for the press to say it doesn't affect young people. Take my business for example. Im close to sixty and personally know people of similar vintage who've had a bad time with the virus. Im self employed so lets say one of my competitors who is 30 is deemed safe to open his business, I have to open mine or lose customers despite me being higher risk. Same applies to older hairdressers, publicans, restaurant owners etc. Does society just throw people on the scrap heap that are approaching the end of their productive days?
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I'm right with you on this. I honestly don't know where this is going in England. Hopefully I am wrong and everything works out ok and quickly. I have my doubts. We've ****ed it right up as far as I can see.
 
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wakeycentraloneleeds said:
I’ve just been having a look at something I saw on the news comparing englands deaths from covid to Germany and New Zealand.
Firstly I thought what a weird comparison to compare england and New Zealand knowing how sparsely populated it is. New Zealand has a population density of 18 people per sq km, where as england has 430 people per sq km.. making New Zealands pop density nearly 24x smaller than englands, so for the media to compare the two when they’re talking about the spread of a virus that requires people being close to each other to thrive is completely ridiculous.
Then I thought, well I know Germany are doing pretty well at dealing with the virus so I thought I wonder how densely populated Germany is, 227 people per km2, which is 1/2 the density of England. so the deaths in the England are 14.5k and in Germany are 4650.. that’s not far off 3x smaller than England, so every time the media slate how we are dealing with it just remember that if Germany had the same population density as us they would be relatively similar to us with the same amount of deaths. Also the disparities in how they report covid19 deaths are an issue when the uk reports any deaths where covid is present compared to Germany who only list it on the death certificate if it is a predominant factor.
Spain has 91 people per square km with a death toll of nearly 22k so when you compare those to England’s numbers they are doing absolutely horrendously compared to us when their pop density is 5x smaller than ours.
France has 117 people per square km, with a death toll of nearly 20k so again, they are doing much much worse than we are when we are.
We have a lower death per capita level than France, Italy and Spain, when all of them have a population density way lower than ours.
France 302
Italy 391
Spain 446
England 218
Which is very important when this is a virus that thrives in densely populated situations so if we were dealing with it as badly as these 3 countries we would be losing thousands more!
The overall death toll of a country with 10million cannot be compared to a country with 66million such as Belgium and the uk which is being done regularly. The deaths per million of the population of Belgium is double that of the uk, when the overall population is 6x smaller than the uk so Belgium is doing twice as bad as the uk in effect.
The death toll in a Country with a small population will obviously have a lower death toll than a country with a large population, it’s common sense, so to compare two figures of simply death toll is manipulating figures to suit a certain agenda.
My point is that when you compare the numbers truthfully we are doing well compared to other countries when we have such a densely populated country, please do some of your own fact checking and digging before you believe the utter garbage that is being fed to us at the moment!
**just to clarify this post is absolutely supporting a continued lockdown until we are absolutely safe to start lifting restrictions**
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14.5K deaths in the UK???

I think you are a bit behind with that one
 
Eireleeds1 said:
Its all very well for the press to say it doesn't affect young people. Take my business for example. Im close to sixty and personally know people of similar vintage who've had a bad time with the virus. Im self employed so lets say one of my competitors who is 30 is deemed safe to open his business, I have to open mine or lose customers despite me being higher risk. Same applies to older hairdressers, publicans, restaurant owners etc. Does society just throw people on the scrap heap that are approaching the end of their productive days?
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You're a long time dead m8 fook what the young one's are doing, stay the distance for yourself and your family, that's all that matters.
 
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Emu said:
I'm right with you on this. I honestly don't know where this is going in England. Hopefully I am wrong and everything works out ok and quickly. I have my doubts. We've ****ed it right up as far as I can see.
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The scots have extended the lockdown by another 3 weeks, and we will follow suit, unfortunately I think that will end any finishing the season with football.
 
JonnyLosAngeles said:
It’s unreal how some people are put out by these measures that are designed to save lives. Selfish or ignorant society?
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Unfortunately, many of them believe what they read, and it dramatically changes according to where you read it

e.g.
BBC " Black people in UK 'nearly twice as likely to die"
The Sun "Black people in UK three times as likely to die"
The Mirror "Black men and women four times likely to die"
The Sun "Men are twice as likely to die than women"
The Mail "Men are three times as likely to die than women"
The Huffington Post "Men are four times likely to die than women"

An 18 year old white woman reading the Mirror and Huffington post will care far less about the restrictions than a 60 year old black man reading same papers.
 
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JonnyLosAngeles said:
Silly meme that.

We buy food at supermarkets, you can live many years without a haircut. Just ask Daniel Levy of Spurs.
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Take a small shop owner selling clothes. He or she agrees to only allow a customer in at a time and abide by social distancing. A cafe owner agrees to set the tables out 2m apart as he wants to open, both under current rules are told no. How or why are they treated different to Amazon opening it’s warehouse or should I say never closing it, how is it any different to standing in a queue for groceries, or a queue for the DIY store. We are just in the weirdest definition of a lock down you’re ever likely to see.
 
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wakeycentraloneleeds said:
I’ve just been having a look at something I saw on the news comparing englands deaths from covid to Germany and New Zealand.
Firstly I thought what a weird comparison to compare england and New Zealand knowing how sparsely populated it is. New Zealand has a population density of 18 people per sq km, where as england has 430 people per sq km.. making New Zealands pop density nearly 24x smaller than englands, so for the media to compare the two when they’re talking about the spread of a virus that requires people being close to each other to thrive is completely ridiculous.
Then I thought, well I know Germany are doing pretty well at dealing with the virus so I thought I wonder how densely populated Germany is, 227 people per km2, which is 1/2 the density of England. so the deaths in the England are 14.5k and in Germany are 4650.. that’s not far off 3x smaller than England, so every time the media slate how we are dealing with it just remember that if Germany had the same population density as us they would be relatively similar to us with the same amount of deaths. Also the disparities in how they report covid19 deaths are an issue when the uk reports any deaths where covid is present compared to Germany who only list it on the death certificate if it is a predominant factor.
Spain has 91 people per square km with a death toll of nearly 22k so when you compare those to England’s numbers they are doing absolutely horrendously compared to us when their pop density is 5x smaller than ours.
France has 117 people per square km, with a death toll of nearly 20k so again, they are doing much much worse than we are when we are.
We have a lower death per capita level than France, Italy and Spain, when all of them have a population density way lower than ours.
France 302
Italy 391
Spain 446
England 218
Which is very important when this is a virus that thrives in densely populated situations so if we were dealing with it as badly as these 3 countries we would be losing thousands more!
The overall death toll of a country with 10million cannot be compared to a country with 66million such as Belgium and the uk which is being done regularly. The deaths per million of the population of Belgium is double that of the uk, when the overall population is 6x smaller than the uk so Belgium is doing twice as bad as the uk in effect.
The death toll in a Country with a small population will obviously have a lower death toll than a country with a large population, it’s common sense, so to compare two figures of simply death toll is manipulating figures to suit a certain agenda.
My point is that when you compare the numbers truthfully we are doing well compared to other countries when we have such a densely populated country, please do some of your own fact checking and digging before you believe the utter garbage that is being fed to us at the moment!
**just to clarify this post is absolutely supporting a continued lockdown until we are absolutely safe to start lifting restrictions**
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Just a comment on NZ, population only 4.9m spread out over a large area - true. But Auckland is a huge city of 1.7m (the greater Auckland area) and the top 5 cities comprise 60% of the population.
 
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2020VisionofLeeds said:
Just a comment on NZ, population only 4.9m spread out over a large area - true. But Auckland is a huge city of 1.7m (the greater Auckland area) and the top 5 cities comprise 60% of the population.
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How many millions of people did new Zealand have visiting countries around the world this winter?. Shall I answer for you?.
 
wakeycentraloneleeds said:
How many millions of people did new Zealand have visiting countries around the world this winter?. Shall I answer for you?.
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New Zealand medical advisor explained exactly how they achieved it last week. They stopped entry completely too the country early. We’re able to get rid of it then among the few remaining in NZ that had it. Australia similar story. Ireland and uk did the supposed lock downs alright but even to this day, travellers allowed in to go where they like unmonitored while we observe the restrictions. NZ was in lockdown with no travel while the Cheltenham lot were busy spreading the virus all over the place like we knew it would. There’s your main reasons for the varying figures from country to country
 
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TC (Lovely Geezer) said:
Unfortunately, many of them believe what they read, and it dramatically changes according to where you read it

e.g.
BBC " Black people in UK 'nearly twice as likely to die"
The Sun "Black people in UK three times as likely to die"
The Mirror "Black men and women four times likely to die"
The Sun "Men are twice as likely to die than women"
The Mail "Men are three times as likely to die than women"
The Huffington Post "Men are four times likely to die than women"

An 18 year old white woman reading the Mirror and Huffington post will care far less about the restrictions than a 60 year old black man reading same papers.
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Michael Jackson would have been f****d
 
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