Off Topic Corona virus

[NostradEmus]

Don’t know about the antibodies. Still no evidence someone who’s had it will be immune or for any length of time

It's been proven that recovered people do have antibodies. That's how they recovered. It is unknown how long the body remembers them though. For the common cold (a type of coronovirus) they probably last at least 2 or 3 years albeit getting weaker as time passes. The point is that antibodies are more plentiful for both science and also plasma transplant for the worst affected.

There are currently 5000 people in the UK taking part in medical tests. The largest in the world. This testing is widespread all over the world purely because whomever finds the medicine that either cures or alleviates symptoms will become very wealthy, very quickly. As I said before, money talks and the money men are all over this!

It will be a matter of months, not years, until things return to some kind of normality. I still think social distancing will be a thing until next year but the cogs are moving powered by the money.

Its maybe a bit of good news. Embrace it.

 

[NostradEmus]

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Where is the social distancing?

This is what is wrong with this country. At least it trended on twitter. Richard Osmond sent a tweet the other week which kind of summed up a similar video to the one quoted. It went something like this....

"These people will be saying they have the 'Blitz spirit' when in reality they are playing the part of the luftwaffe"

People behaving like that are the reason this thing will drag on.

 

[Bysshe]

First time on back on this site for a while as I have been laid low with the dreaded virus.

For what it’s worth, I can offer a few insights based on firsthand experience as they might be of use to some in the ensuing weeks/months. This comes with the obvious disclaimer that it's only a personal experience, but it does provide an alternative to the official mantra that most people recover in a short time after a mild illness, and in some it is entirely asymptomatic.

1. The virus is incredibly infectious. I collected my daughter from university as she was showing symptoms and, in spite of strict hygiene protocols, I rapidly went down with it, almost certainly contracted merely by being in the same car as her for a comparatively brief journey.

2. It began with severe fatigue and bouts of high temperature but seemed pretty manageable. No respiratory symptoms and not much of a cough. But, weirdly, a total absence of taste and sense of smell.

3. Towards the end of the first week it intensified with cold-like symptoms and a painful, hag-like cough.

4. The combination of extreme fatigue, savage fever, hacking cough and breathing difficulties meant that there were moments in that second week when I really was unsure about surviving it. It’s so horrible that at times you feel like giving up the struggle.

5. It lingers shockingly. It’s as hard to shake off as a dog with a doughnut. I had a deadline at the end of April and so I tried to resume work a bit too early and then, in the third week, the symptoms--which had been ebbing--came back with a vengeance.

I am now on the mend (end of week 4!) but continue to feel a level of exhaustion that I don’t recall ever having experienced. So, I would honestly advise everyone not to be seduced by the talk of it being a mild illness. Maybe it is for some, but for others it's horrendous. When I first went down with it I was a bit complacent. I thought that it could be good to get it over with early, given that most people are probably going to have to get it eventually. Now, four weeks later, I’m thankful to be alive.

So, take whatever precautions you can in order to avoid it. Good luck! Stay well.

 

[NostradEmus]

First time on back on this site for a while as I have been laid low with the dreaded virus.

For what it’s worth, I can offer a few insights based on firsthand experience as they might be of use to some in the ensuing weeks/months. This comes with the obvious disclaimer that it's only a personal experience, but it does provide an alternative to the official mantra that most people recover in a short time after a mild illness, and in some it is entirely asymptomatic.

1. The virus is incredibly infectious. I collected my daughter from university as she was showing symptoms and, in spite of strict hygiene protocols, I rapidly went down with it, almost certainly contracted merely by being in the same car as her for a comparatively brief journey.

2. It began with severe fatigue and bouts of high temperature but seemed pretty manageable. No respiratory symptoms and not much of a cough. But, weirdly, a total absence of taste and sense of smell.

3. Towards the end of the first week it intensified with cold-like symptoms and a painful, hag-like cough.

4. The combination of extreme fatigue, savage fever, hacking cough and breathing difficulties meant that there were moments in that second week when I really was unsure about surviving it. It’s so horrible that at times you feel like giving up the struggle.

5. It lingers shockingly. It’s as hard to shake off as a dog with a doughnut. I had a deadline at the end of April and so I tried to resume work a bit too early and then, in the third week, the symptoms--which had been ebbing--came back with a vengeance.

I am now on the mend (end of week 4!) but continue to feel a level of exhaustion that I don’t recall ever having experienced. So, I would honestly advise everyone not to be seduced by the talk of it being a mild illness. Maybe it is for some, but for others it's horrendous. When I first went down with it I was a bit complacent. I thought that it could be good to get it over with early, given that most people are probably going to have to get it eventually. Now, four weeks later, I’m thankful to be alive.

So, take whatever precautions you can in order to avoid it. Good luck! Stay well.

Thanks for that Bysshe. Did you end up in hospital? What treatment have you had? Did you get tested?

Get well soon pal!

 

[Whitejock]

First time on back on this site for a while as I have been laid low with the dreaded virus.

For what it’s worth, I can offer a few insights based on firsthand experience as they might be of use to some in the ensuing weeks/months. This comes with the obvious disclaimer that it's only a personal experience, but it does provide an alternative to the official mantra that most people recover in a short time after a mild illness, and in some it is entirely asymptomatic.

1. The virus is incredibly infectious. I collected my daughter from university as she was showing symptoms and, in spite of strict hygiene protocols, I rapidly went down with it, almost certainly contracted merely by being in the same car as her for a comparatively brief journey.

2. It began with severe fatigue and bouts of high temperature but seemed pretty manageable. No respiratory symptoms and not much of a cough. But, weirdly, a total absence of taste and sense of smell.

3. Towards the end of the first week it intensified with cold-like symptoms and a painful, hag-like cough.

4. The combination of extreme fatigue, savage fever, hacking cough and breathing difficulties meant that there were moments in that second week when I really was unsure about surviving it. It’s so horrible that at times you feel like giving up the struggle.

5. It lingers shockingly. It’s as hard to shake off as a dog with a doughnut. I had a deadline at the end of April and so I tried to resume work a bit too early and then, in the third week, the symptoms--which had been ebbing--came back with a vengeance.

I am now on the mend (end of week 4!) but continue to feel a level of exhaustion that I don’t recall ever having experienced. So, I would honestly advise everyone not to be seduced by the talk of it being a mild illness. Maybe it is for some, but for others it's horrendous. When I first went down with it I was a bit complacent. I thought that it could be good to get it over with early, given that most people are probably going to have to get it eventually. Now, four weeks later, I’m thankful to be alive.

So, take whatever precautions you can in order to avoid it. Good luck! Stay well.

Thanks for that, matey. Glad you appear to have pulled through (or do you think you're still at risk?). Most interesting to read a personal account.

For the last week to ten days or so so I've been really struggling with fatigue & aching muscles. I have bouts of being freezing cold when everyone else is roasting, & vice versa. I'm so hoping it's caused by one of millions of other things it could be, but it doesn't stop you wondering.

Fortunately though, I have a focus that takes my mind off it - my fcuking frozen shoulder is acting up bigtime for the first time in years, so much so that my kinky painkillers are fcuking useless. Still here though, & fingers crossed.

Take care & stay safe!

 

[TC (Lovely Geezer)]

Thanks for that, matey. Glad you appear to have pulled through (or do you think you're still at risk?). Most interesting to read a personal account.

For the last week to ten days or so so I've been really struggling with fatigue & aching muscles. I have bouts of being freezing cold when everyone else is roasting, & vice versa. I'm so hoping it's caused by one of millions of other things it could be, but it doesn't stop you wondering.

Fortunately though, I have a focus that takes my mind off it - my fcuking frozen shoulder is acting up bigtime for the first time in years, so much so that my kinky painkillers are fcuking useless. Still here though, & fingers crossed.

Take care & stay safe!

I had a frozen shoulder a few years ago (pretty sure it was a result of playing too much cricket).
Got so bad that I couldn't sleep at night.
After suffering for several months I went to the doctor who was as much use as a chocolate teapot.
Friend of mine recommended a sports physio who completely cleared it after 3 sessions.

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[ellandback]

First time on back on this site for a while as I have been laid low with the dreaded virus.

For what it’s worth, I can offer a few insights based on firsthand experience as they might be of use to some in the ensuing weeks/months. This comes with the obvious disclaimer that it's only a personal experience, but it does provide an alternative to the official mantra that most people recover in a short time after a mild illness, and in some it is entirely asymptomatic.

1. The virus is incredibly infectious. I collected my daughter from university as she was showing symptoms and, in spite of strict hygiene protocols, I rapidly went down with it, almost certainly contracted merely by being in the same car as her for a comparatively brief journey.

2. It began with severe fatigue and bouts of high temperature but seemed pretty manageable. No respiratory symptoms and not much of a cough. But, weirdly, a total absence of taste and sense of smell.

3. Towards the end of the first week it intensified with cold-like symptoms and a painful, hag-like cough.

4. The combination of extreme fatigue, savage fever, hacking cough and breathing difficulties meant that there were moments in that second week when I really was unsure about surviving it. It’s so horrible that at times you feel like giving up the struggle.

5. It lingers shockingly. It’s as hard to shake off as a dog with a doughnut. I had a deadline at the end of April and so I tried to resume work a bit too early and then, in the third week, the symptoms--which had been ebbing--came back with a vengeance.

I am now on the mend (end of week 4!) but continue to feel a level of exhaustion that I don’t recall ever having experienced. So, I would honestly advise everyone not to be seduced by the talk of it being a mild illness. Maybe it is for some, but for others it's horrendous. When I first went down with it I was a bit complacent. I thought that it could be good to get it over with early, given that most people are probably going to have to get it eventually. Now, four weeks later, I’m thankful to be alive.

So, take whatever precautions you can in order to avoid it. Good luck! Stay well.

So glad to hear you're on the mend

 

[Eireleeds1]

Maybe I’m missing something but I’ve not yet seen scientific evidence that someone who has recovered cannot reinfect or how long antibodies will keep you immune for if at all

Who confirmed
This morning there is still no evidence of immunity for someone who has already been infected

 

[Whitejock]

I had a frozen shoulder a few years ago (pretty sure it was a result of playing too much cricket).
Got so bad that I couldn't sleep at night.
After suffering for several months I went to the doctor who was as much use as a chocolate teapot.
Friend of mine recommended a sports physio who completely cleared it after 3 sessions.

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Thanks, TC, but well past that, sadly. I used to go privately to Wayne Morton, the ex-england cricket physio. Had lots of fun getting steroids injected with horribly long needles. Diagnosis after all the treatment he & other docs could muster is one shoulder fully locked & the other marginally better at 75% locked. Not as bad as it sounds, movement-wise, as you'll appreciate, just certain movements. Scratching your arse involves unimaginable contortions. The term 'rotor cuff' springs to mind, but can't remember the significance, far less the detail. Apparently once diagnosed (& unable to cure), it works in a 3 year cycle, ranging from no pain to agony. Never tracked it myself. Perhaps I should. Only blessing is that it only happens one shoulder at a time. So far.

Surgery is an option I rejected, after hearing the horror stories from Morton, but coming round to it. Another option offered was for Morton to 'do a bit of muscle tearing'! I declined. Not only was his bedside manner atrocious, his handling of you was too. He seems to like confirming it's painful. Local docs are now qualified to give this injection, & I've used them, but inappropriate at the moment to ask.

Btw, one thing Morton told me might concern you a little. He told me that I was his 100th patient with a frozen shoulder. 96 were diabetic (as I was at the time). The other 4 turned out to be latent diabetics.

Oh, forgot to answer your suggestion. Above means that I'd probably pass out if I tried exercises. Seriously.

 

[TC (Lovely Geezer)]

Thanks, TC, but well past that, sadly. I used to go privately to Wayne Morton, the ex-england cricket physio. Had lots of fun getting steroids injected with horribly long needles. Diagnosis after all the treatment he & other docs could muster is one shoulder fully locked & the other marginally better at 75% locked. Not as bad as it sounds, movement-wise, as you'll appreciate, just certain movements. Scratching your arse involves unimaginable contortions. The term 'rotor cuff' springs to mind, but can't remember the significance, far less the detail. Apparently once diagnosed (& unable to cure), it works in a 3 year cycle, ranging from no pain to agony. Never tracked it myself. Perhaps I should. Only blessing is that it only happens one shoulder at a time. So far.

Surgery is an option I rejected, after hearing the horror stories from Morton, but coming round to it. Another option offered was for Morton to 'do a bit of muscle tearing'! I declined. Not only was his bedside manner atrocious, his handling of you was too. He seems to like confirming it's painful. Local docs are now qualified to give this injection, & I've used them, but inappropriate at the moment to ask.

Btw, one thing Morton told me might concern you a little. He told me that I was his 100th patient with a frozen shoulder. 96 were diabetic (as I was at the time). The other 4 turned out to be latent diabetics.

Oh, forgot to answer your suggestion. Above means that I'd probably pass out if I tried exercises. Seriously.

Sorry to hear that mate, I know how painful it can be.
Had the diabetes tests done and clear for now, but it did say I had a 25% chance of getting it in the next 10 years.

 

[Whitejock]

Sorry to hear that mate, I know how painful it can be.
Had the diabetes tests done and clear for now, but it did say I had a 25% chance of getting it in the next 10 years.

Take care then, as you really don't want diabetes in your life. A pal was careless & lost both arms, both legs & his sight. Terrifying. For me, the only thing I feared was losing my arms. Legs & sight I guess I could cope with - but asking someone to take you to the toilet for the rest of your life? Not me, it would be a parachute jump & hoping no-one noticed that I wasn't capable of pulling the ripcord. Keep checking!

 

[TC (Lovely Geezer)]

Who confirmed
This morning there is still no evidence of immunity for someone who has already been infected

Exactly Eire, so this mad panic by every nation to mass produce these tests to see if someone has had it (at a humongously great expense) could end up being a complete waste.of time as well as money.

Is it just me that thinks all the world leaders and these scientists that are advising them, are just pissing in the wind?

 

[Eireleeds1]

Exactly Eire, so this mad panic by every nation to mass produce these tests to see if someone has had it (at a humongously great expense) could end up being a complete waste.of time as well as money.

Is it just me that thinks all the world leaders and these scientists that are advising them, are just pissing in the wind?

They are certainly pissing in the dark TC. Of course as our lords and masters we’ve little choice but hope they get it right

 

[brisbane-lion]

Exactly Eire, so this mad panic by every nation to mass produce these tests to see if someone has had it (at a humongously great expense) could end up being a complete waste.of time as well as money.

Is it just me that thinks all the world leaders and these scientists that are advising them, are just pissing in the wind?

They are certainly pissing in the dark TC. Of course as our lords and masters we’ve little choice but hope they get it right

Damned if they do and damned if they don't. Must at least be seen to be doing something, trouble is, no-one knows exactly what to do. What would you do?

 

[wakeybreakyheart]

Who confirmed
This morning there is still no evidence of immunity for someone who has already been infected

They should just stick to singing.

 

[milkyboy]

Exactly Eire, so this mad panic by every nation to mass produce these tests to see if someone has had it (at a humongously great expense) could end up being a complete waste.of time as well as money.

Is it just me that thinks all the world leaders and these scientists that are advising them, are just pissing in the wind?

There is no evidence yet that you can't be re-infected. There is also no evidence that you can... the starting position from those in the field, as i understand it is that based on everything they know, based on other corona viruses is that 2-3 years immunity would be par and nothing has shown up that would contradict that, that isn't outliers/anecdotal.

Now, do you base decisions on probability? You'd obviously rather know the facts that the assumptions. Especially when there are viruses where reinfection occurs and can be worse than initial infections!

But they can't wait to find out before starting working on the tests or we'd be in lockdown for years.

 

[ellandback]

This is what is wrong with this country. At least it trended on twitter. Richard Osmond sent a tweet the other week which kind of summed up a similar video to the one quoted. It went something like this....

"These people will be saying they have the 'Blitz spirit' when in reality they are playing the part of the luftwaffe"

People behaving like that are the reason this thing will drag on.

The Police vehicles aren't even 6 foot apart...

 

[Eireleeds1]

There is no evidence yet that you can't be re-infected. There is also no evidence that you can... the starting position from those in the field, as i understand it is that based on everything they know, based on other corona viruses is that 2-3 years immunity would be par and nothing has shown up that would contradict that, that isn't outliers/anecdotal.

Now, do you base decisions on probability? You'd obviously rather know the facts that the assumptions. Especially when there are viruses where reinfection occurs and can be worse than initial infections!

But they can't wait to find out before starting working on the tests or we'd be in lockdown for years.

Likely main reason the easing of lockdown will be a very slow and gradual process. Our medical man explained it clearly Friday. Says they’ll open least likely to infect areas first for a few weeks, then analyse figures to see if there’s a rise in reinfections, then move onto next least likely group and so on. Makes perfect sense but clearly will be a long road

 

[Whitejock]

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[stonkin]

There is no evidence yet that you can't be re-infected. There is also no evidence that you can... the starting position from those in the field, as i understand it is that based on everything they know, based on other corona viruses is that 2-3 years immunity would be par and nothing has shown up that would contradict that, that isn't outliers/anecdotal.

Now, do you base decisions on probability? You'd obviously rather know the facts that the assumptions. Especially when there are viruses where reinfection occurs and can be worse than initial infections!

But they can't wait to find out before starting working on the tests or we'd be in lockdown for years.

This https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/17/...avirus-retesting-positive-intl-hnk/index.html article says a lot but the last sentence is probably the most accurate.