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Off Topic Corona virus - non football

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by SAFCDRUM, Mar 16, 2020.

  1. Chunksafc

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    Unfortunately there will be delays in reporting due to the weekend and it still is only hospital deaths.

    As heart breaking as it is, you can't read to much into the daily figures and take a weeks average.

    Either way in light of today's news regarding our government's planning it is shocking, disgraceful and will need a full inquiry
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

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    Correct ....
     
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  3. Sunderpitt

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    Just been watching an old episode of Outnumbered..(it is a lockdown)...

    The family had a german exchange student, who says he likes british comedians, especially the fat one with blond hair who cycles round London...the mayor who now is PM! You could not make it up could you
     
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    Should be, but I would not count on it with this shameless shower of self seekers in charge.
     
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    Perhaps we should employ Boris's water cannon to disinfect the cities <whistle>
     
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    This government frightens me it is the most inempt government in my life time and i'm 64 and before the people on here say "whats the allternative" a coallition would of been better as with brexit.
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

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    They'd be fine without this crisis, inept but who really cares ...

    ... but times like these need decisive leadership, clear messages and the courage to give people bad news without dressing it up.

    This is just a procession of bumbling ministers shuffling papers and being spanked by an oaf like Piers Morgan.
     
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    This is the most remarkable part. The amount of people who in conversation with me lately have said "I usually can't stand Piers Morgan, but..."

    He's ripping them to shreds very easily. They don't stand up to even basic scrutiny.
     
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  9. Smug in Boots

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    I've started tuning in deliberately mate ...

    ... I'll be watching Miranda soon at this rate <laugh>
     
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    But why havent the press being doing this any way? Anyone would think they were being paid by someone who didn't want them too????
     
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  11. Dancingstripes

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    A lot on here are giving the government huge stick. Personally I'm not, and here are my reasons why:

    - Spain, Italy, USA and a whole host of other countries are in the exact same boat as us.

    - Our government were acting on the advice of The world health organisation. It isn't our governments fault that the advice was based on a heap of lies being fed by China.

    - PPE seems difficult for the whole world to get hold of atm. Everybody is after the same stuff, with not enough to go around.

    - Spain and Italy literally had patients lying in corridors, whereas our hospitals haven't been overrun.

    - The vast majority of our population is still getting paid via the government whilst sitting at home. In Italy, people have been reduced to stealing from supermarkets to avoid starvation.

    Whilst I agree the governments response hasn't been perfect. We are dealing with a situation that's unprecedented.

    We were led by science, the way that many of us agreed was the best way to go.

    Unfortunately the science that led us, were a pack of lies from China. And wether the PM was boris Johnson or William Churchill, it was a near impossible task.
     
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    Agree 100% <ok>
     
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  13. Flash Gordon

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    I'd agree that the government have made bold and decisive moves on the economic front which has helped a lot of the people in this country and businesses too.

    The other stuff though is questionable. The WHO were updating their advice all the time. The idea that they gave out the wrong information was based on a couple of comments in January.

    We started with the idea of herd immunity which was not science advised by the WHO and is questionable at best.

    We have been terrible at testing and slow on the uptake despite that being a key scientific idea and countries like South Korea and Germany showing its success.

    We were short of PPE because we didn't prepare adequately despite having done drills on what a pandemic would look like and the need for PPE being pointed out.

    British companies offered their services to provide PPE and received no response or were rejected by the government.

    In February we gave 293k masks to China.

    Rather than follow the science on making more ventilators, the government went with a design from scratch approach. The result is that most of these ventilators can only be used for a few hours at a time.

    Again, British companies were offering to support the government in making ventilators but we're were rejected.

    We were slow on the lockdown - Cheltenham festival going ahead was a particular disaster.

    Oh and one final point - our prime minister was going around saying how it wouldn't stop him shaking hands with people. Not only was it an irresponsible comment that gave the country false confidence, he also caught the bloody thing and has been out of action for weeks as a result.
     
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  14. Smug in Boots

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    I don't get the Sunday Times, ( actually I rarely buy newspapers anymore, used to get a local and national, but now tv and online, suffices) a paper politically definitely right of centre. Yesterday it apparently ran with a story castigating the govt preparations and initial response to Coronvirus. Today the full force of govt press is fighting back against this article.

    It may be in several months time or even a year from now (ie vaccines available) that we will be able to compare the UK against other countries, but I guess that Germany and South Korea are exemplars?

    Atm my snap view is that we were poorly prepared and should have locked down earlier. Did we really run down stocks of PPE and not have a plan to hand to activate for mass testing? Cost saving meant relying on overseas manufacturing rather than UK produced gear?

    It would be pertinent to know what the conclusions and advice of the exercises/war games were about preparing for an epidemic and how much of that advice we followed or ignored.

    For the present it seems that there is no alternative to lockdown/social distancing until a simple mass reliable test to see if you have the virus or not, plus I guess until a vaccine and therapeutics come available.
     
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    I am lucky my eldest lad lives in Harlow so face time him my other two lads who live near me, When they go for exercise call into our garden they sit on the swing bench and we sit on the BBQ bench so are 5 m apart and we see the Grandchildren every other day which is great.
     
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  17. Smug in Boots

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    It's not all bad news.

    Victoria Beckham, who's asking the taxpayer to fork out for her staff, generously did her bit for the NHS by reading slowly from a cue card ...

    ... she was introducing the brave fella who came last in the 'Elton John impersonation competition'.

    The poor bloke can't sing to save his life but he has a good shot at the eyebrow gymnastics and gets a decent tune out with his chubby little fingers <laugh>

     
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    We turned that ****e off after Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder murdered what they were trying to sing, it was god awful.
     
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    We turned that ****e off after Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder murdered what they were trying to sing, it was god awful.
     
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  20. Dancingstripes

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    Yes, I get your points.

    But it's easy to nit pick a handful of wrong decisions out of the thousands/millions they will have to make during this pandemic.

    The fact is, as we are speaking now, we still haven't had the honest situation from china.

    The government haven't just had to deal with a new pandemic, it's one filled with mixed and decieving information.

    People like piers Morgan are pointing out where we have gone wrong, and in some cases rightly so.

    But let's not forget, it's the same Piers Morgan who acted beyond discracefully when he reached the pinnacle in his particular line of work..

    The point is, the easiest thing to do is criticise others decisions, but when it comes to making them yourself, it's a different ballgame.

    We haven't got to the levels of Italy,Spain and the USA. Our healthcare is free and our bank accounts have money in them...

    ... I would call that something that should be appreciated, and a small part of success in this horrible crisis.
     
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