And here's me sat reading this thread thinking you were both giving your opinion. Just because debate gets fierce and passionate doesn't automatically mean somebody is trying to rob you of your liberty to hold an opinion
And the armed forces on its arse... Let's prey we never have to defend ourselves (or the Falklands) ever again. 'Back on its feet'????... This country is a joke imo.
The debt came from the global banking crisis..Simple as....The time of waste that went a hell of a long way to repairing the devastation and desolation left by Thatcher..
That's your opinion but what about the borders we lost control of? That was under Labours watch. Or was that down to the banks aswell lol.
That's bollocks fella, Harold Wilson took us into Europe but the British public voted by 66 percent have us remain in Europe in 1975, we've been in it ever since and had conform EU rules on immigration. To believe it was labour's fault is nothing but Tory brainwashing and completely false. You want to blame somebody for losing control of the boarders then blame ourselves. We live in a democracy.
In the same way Labour is brainwashing everyone that the Conservatives are privatising the NHS mate. When it's actually Labour who started partial privatisation in the NHS in the 1st place.
I agree with that. The difference between Britain and most other countries was the amount of subsidy. Take British Steel. It's easy to bandy about a figure like £1m per minute loss. But start calculating what that means and it very quickly doesn't make sense by anyone's standards. £1m per minute amounts to £10,080m (£10.08 billion) loss per week. But there were only about 60 million people living in the U.K. So every man, woman and child in Britain owed £168m per week just to prop up British Steel! On top of that, you had Scargill's N.U.M. putting in a wage-rise demand of 100% one year (late 1970s or very early 1980s). Nostalgic is right in what he says, but no other country had that sort of left-wing lunacy to deal with. Looking back, if Thatcher ended that cycle then I wish I had voted for her more often than I did.
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Well at least they're being honest about it. If you think we'll get one off Cameron you'll be waiting a very long time mate.
I've just been told that Cameron also promised this before the last election, they are leaving me no choice but to vote UKIP at this upcoming election
All three main parties are totally committed to the EU mate. They have to be as the Krauts & Frogs tell them they have to. If you want out there's only one party will do it.
The survey seems pretty fair to me. This is what I got I'm only surprised that the percentages weren't more even between LibDem, Labour and Conservatives. The 20% for UKIP is a bit worrying, but I'm hoping that was from answers to the 20% of common sense that they talk in order to hide the 80% bollocks. That's half the problem, they all talk some sense on some issues (even UKIP and the Greens), whilst having stupid ideas on others, and you can't vote for individual policies.
Because Labour, like the tories and most of the population know the country doesn't have the infrastructure to leave the EU now. Tories know to form a government (and they'll get into bed with anybody as proved) with UKIP a referendum on Europe will be part of their demands. It's nothing but a Tory ploy to not lose voters to UKIP, and if they do, regain them by forming a government with UKIP in the inevitable hung Parliament. I want us to leave Europe too, I want control of our boarders, but I'm listening to the companies of this country, small and large(not politicians) who are saying that without the appropriate preparation and investment it would be a disaster and open another period of economic uncertainty. Tories know this, they don't want us to leave it yet neither. But they know even if they have a referendum the public will vote a majority no because it's like going hunting without your gun. unprepared. Tories have no intrest in leaving the EU what so ever mate. They've only started changing their mind on a referendum as UKIP have gained strength. It's nowt but an Election bargaining tool. Labour just think there's more priorities and I agree. Apart from China we mostly trade within the EU, we lose that(or at least lose control of trade pricing) if we vote out on Europe. That's bad for business in this country. We need to become less dependent on Europe before we leave it imo. The most important thing to remember with referendums is technically it's just a glorified questionnaire, they're not even legally binding and the government can completely ignore the results. Ideally I wanted a party to come forward and announce the they'd spend the next five years opening new trade routes with new countries from outside the EU and actually start preparing us to leave Europe. But no one has. There's only UKIP who want us out and they're going to do it recklessly and prematurely with no clear policy on the rest of the country. No clear and sensible policy from any party has made this a non issue to me.
Back in the 1980s. no matter what we needed money for, you could ask a Labour Party member "where would we get the money?" and get a guaranteed answer. They would invariably say "well, what about defence?" They were hell-bent on selling us off to Russia. Since 1990. when extreme left wing policies became discredited, the Labour Party changed their policy from their original anti-E.U. policy to pro-E.U. The bottom line is the Labour Party is hell-bent on giving us away to somebody, anybody. I now see the Labour Party as, quite simply dedicated, habitual traitors, and I will never vote for them again.
The Tories will say anything to get back into power so take a look at the pompous twats.. The twats weren't even voted in last time, shafted the ever shaft-able Clegg so he could have a name and did it that way.. These ****ers should never represent the North of this country........ever..
