I would expect any effect to be negligible but if anything, the tighter packaging will help rather than hinder.
I wonder if teams/engine providers will be able to use off throttle maps with these engines? I f I remember rightly this was originally used to keep turbos spooled u to avoid turbo lag and not blow the diffuser.
I'm not sure the technology was around those days to do that in F1. It was all down to the driver to keep the turbo's spinning. It is a realtively recent thing, pioneered by rally teams to keep their turbo's spinning. Senna was supposed to be good at this by the way he would blip the throttle a lot in corners.
Why the bloody hell would anyone in their right minds even suggest a 1.4 litre four cylinder engine for F1. F1 is just that, it has no silly green responsibilities, it's the pure form of motor racing, or should be, it's motor racing in the extreme, drivers earn ten of millions and the FIA want them to **** about in 1.4 litre engined cars, where is the sense in that. It's about time FOTA organised their own series.
Senna, used to go through corners with the car in the gear he wanted to use coming out of the corner with the clutch depressed and his foot on the throttle ready for the off! Very effective
An article in today's Sunday Express claims that the race promoters for up to seventeen existing Formula 1 circuits will dump F1 and switch to Indycar if the new 1.6 litre V6 engine regulations are voted through in tomorrow's WMSC fax vote. Unbelievably, circuits like Monaco, Monza, Silverstone and Spa could disappear from the F1 calendar because of the effect of the 12,000rpm engines on spectators, who are expected to find the noise of the new engines distinctly underwhelming. Whether this is simply an opportunistic attempt to strengthen their negotiating arms come contract renewal time is unclear but Ron Walker (chair of the Australian GP Corporation, who appears to be leading the revolt) has denied that: "I can absolutely give you 100% assurance that they [the seventeen circuits] would not run Formula 1." They allegedly have Bernie Ecclestone's full support. Only China and Korea have not expressed their intention to abandon F1. The article is expanded on Pitpass by its author Chris Sylt. His conclusion is that the circuits won't switch to IndyCar and that it's not about re-nogotiating terms but is, instead, the galvanisation of a new power in the sport: a circuits association.
Wow. Thanks for the link Genji. I wonder how many of us would go watch Indycar at Silverstone on a regular basis? I don't really understand this problem people have with the new engines. Obviously, the noise of the engines is important to get right, but surely what matters more is what happens on track? Is anybody here adamant that they will not go to a Grand Prix in 2014 because of the new engines?
So what stopped all the fans coming in the 80's when they were around before? in the "Golden Era" All BS if you ask me just to get more money. The Mclaren MP4/4 was one of the most dominant cars in F1 histroy and it had a V6 turbo engine in it. The tracks speak for themselves, not for the fans. I'll still be going because I'm a F1 fan, not a just a person who likes to become deaf...
A slightly different take on the story to Chris Sylt's here. This version says the circuits threatened to walk out if the F1 Commission didn't vote against four cylinder engines when it decided last Thursday to go to V6s. It also says Ecclestone still wants to retain V8s.
Why would they dump F1 for indycar? even if f1 was going down to V6 they still will be better! What I want to know is what happens to GP2 because they are not much slower than F1 only 6 or 7 seconds slower
Nothing. The changes wont affect the speed of F1 cars, just the noise and the emissions (as an aside - the cars are alleged by Ron Walker to contribute only 0.3% of F1's total output).
Don't worry about the Indy Car scenario: it's nothing more than scare-mongering. Whilst it might look like a threat to the die-hards and certainly gets people talking, this is a fake gun with all of the danger of a water-pistol.
Nice one Westy. (Unfortunately, yet again I am unable to give you 'Rep' for your worthy contribution.) Joe Saward is the fans' best friend. Well worth keeping an eye on what he has to say. He knows more than most of us in the sport and has a knack of discovering the hidden bits Bernie would rather keep that way. Speaking of commentary, watch out for the dark-horse on the extreme right of your picture; its Red clad jockey may look a little Flabby but I can assure you it's a combination dangerously close to achieving its ambition, being very well-linked to the power-mongers of Italian politics - which obviously include di Montezemolo and all of Ferrari's closest allies, with (oddly enough) the possible exception of Mosley. Perhaps Max will eventually become the fans' real ally?…
Be careful with Saward. He's still smarting from being exposed by PitPass as a fool who takes the FIA stance as gospel (he said in April that the four cylinder regulation was not negotiable and would definitely go ahead). That article is his response and its objective is not to provide insight but to paint Pitpass's Chris Sylt as Ecclestone's stooge. The pair of them put Xiglly and Posty to shame and both need to be taken with a pinch of salt. If the circuits do move into some kind of FOTA-inspired association then Saward's credibility will be shot. If they don't then Sylt was simply riffing on a real event that did happen. cosi - the story wasn't a deal with Indycar, that was just the headline.
