Claudio Ranieri appointed

[AKCJ]

Have never spoken to the guy, so I hold my hands up that I havent got a scooby what passion he has for the job. Not a clue what his ambition is for LCFC, and no idea what players he will be looking to sell or bring in. So .................... I will leave it all to you guys who have had that personal chat with him.

Why do you need to speak to someone to realise their intention?

He's here as a face for King Power.

If you think he's joined us with a burning desire to take Leicester into the upper reaches of the Premier League then I think you might want to open your eyes.

 

[AKCJ]

Amen brother ... they have me smiling ... they've written this guy off as some money grabbing journeyman who has had a streak of incredible luck throughout his managerial career .... and already, despite a ball not yet having been kicked he can't possibly hold a candle to Saint Nigel, the paragon of virtue who manages for purely philanthropic reasons and his undying love for the City of Leicester and its' football club ... I can feel myself filling up already ......

Because that's exactly what we're suggesting

 

[Lesta Gangsta]

Thanks for taking the time and effort to explain 'my logic' to those less astute than yourself ... in fact you are a little short of the mark ... I was trying to convey that not only Sven, but also Noggin The Nog and Spineless Sy the Stickleback hero of Springwatch are all better football managers than Nigel Pearson ....

... although a more radical interpretation might just be that I was actually just pointing out that that money is relative to owners of football clubs ... since they acquired us their personal worth and the value of the brand have rocketed ... they can afford to back whoever they appoint and no doubt will.

Now you and Proud are the ones fond of quoting people's motives as if you have an inside track .... I'm willing to take Ranieri at his face value comments that he relishes another opportunity to manager in the Prem ... I suspect (note the lack of certainty) that he has made enough money from his career to retire comfortably without the need for the grief that this 'one last pay day' will bring him ... but what do I know ...

As I've commented elsewhere - I will give him a chance - I'll judge him after 10 games or so ... certainly not before we kick a ball in anger ... why? ... because his managerial record in top flight footie deserves that at least IMHO

You may have said that elsewhere, but I was referring to your belief that his CV was reason to believe that he will be as if not more successful than our previous manager (that because of his connection to "Roma, Inter, Monaco, Juventus, Napoli, Valencia, Fiorentina, Parma or Athletico Madrid" you "personally can't fathom why you would see Ranieri as less likely to take us to the next level than Nigel?").

As I said, by that logic, Sven was a better appointment than Pearson because Sven's CV included a similar list of Euro giants. Football, indeed most careers, don't work like that. Sven's ideology, methods and tactics had seen better days and his lack of knowledge of the English game was woefully exposed while Pearson, who's never won a serial A title or Spanish cup, managed to surpass all that experience. It's about drive, hunger, hard work and determination as well as the the previously mentioned traits. A bit of knowledge of the English lower leagues and youth set-ups also help. Will Ranieri have those qualities?

His motivation is largely irrelevant; he can come here for the money for all I care if he succeeds. What is important is that he brings a model for success for a club of our size with our targets - something he hasn't had experience of since his Cagliari days

"giving him a chance" sounds to me you're not actually over the moon with this appointment either. The phrase "damning with faint praise" springs to mind. As others have said, when the first ball is kicked, we will support our team, but until then I will feel uncomfortable about recent events which I feel were largely unnecessary.

 

[MIAMI_FOX]

wow, all getting little testy on here. Chill ladies, we are in the Premiership.

 

[Lesta Gangsta]

Amen brother ... they have me smiling ... they've written this guy off as some money grabbing journeyman who has had a streak of incredible luck throughout his managerial career .... and already, despite a ball not yet having been kicked he can't possibly hold a candle to Saint Nigel, the paragon of virtue who manages for purely philanthropic reasons and his undying love for the City of Leicester and its' football club ... I can feel myself filling up already ......

How can you say he's not a journeyman? He's not stayed anywhere for more than two years since leaving Chelsea. Nobody said anything about luck - he achieve some great things early in his career which set him up for a career at big name clubs. He's done OK at that level, but the interest from the big clubs has dried up - so, knowing we have some money, he touted himself for our manager role. As for his capabilities for that role and for his motivation, see my previous message.

Nobody as "written him off" either. That would be to expect relegation, and I don't think anyone has said that. It's just an uninspiring, unexciting and disappointing appointment.

 

[Lesta Gangsta]

wow, all getting little testy on here. Chill ladies, we are in the Premiership.

Yeah - we wanna stay there!

 

[Barwellfox]

Why do you need to speak to someone to realise their intention?

He's here as a face for King Power.

If you think he's joined us with a burning desire to take Leicester into the upper reaches of the Premier League then I think you might want to open your eyes.

Eyes are wide open, as is my mind. Not sure why there is so much pessimism abounding. The guy is the same age as me, and whilst he may not have the passion for LCFC, I can understand that he may still have that passion for football, and management in the Premiership. I actually think it will be an achievement if he keeps us in the Prem this coming season, as the promoted teams all look better sides than Burnley and QPR were.

Oh, and I never make a judgement about anybody unless I have spoken to them, and certainly not about their passion and motives. Of course he is here as a face for King Power. Any manager of our football club is. It is called professionalism.

 

[MIAMI_FOX]

Yeah - we wanna stay there!

We will. Don't get your knickers in a twist Youre all getting far too worked up. Just enjoy the ride, it's going to be fun.

 

[THE FOXES 1884]

We will. Don't get your knickers in a twist Youre all getting far too worked up. Just enjoy the ride, it's going to be fun.

Lets hope so M_F, lets hope so.

Oh well atleast Danger mouse is back. He´s an ace, he´s fantastic, where ever there is trouble he´ll be there.

 

[FosseFilberto]

You may have said that elsewhere, but I was referring to your belief that his CV was reason to believe that he will be as if not more successful than our previous manager (that because of his connection to "Roma, Inter, Monaco, Juventus, Napoli, Valencia, Fiorentina, Parma or Athletico Madrid" you "personally can't fathom why you would see Ranieri as less likely to take us to the next level than Nigel?").

As I said, by that logic, Sven was a better appointment than Pearson because Sven's CV included a similar list of Euro giants. Football, indeed most careers, don't work like that. Sven's ideology, methods and tactics had seen better days and his lack of knowledge of the English game was woefully exposed while Pearson, who's never won a serial A title or Spanish cup, managed to surpass all that experience. It's about drive, hunger, hard work and determination as well as the the previously mentioned traits. A bit of knowledge of the English lower leagues and youth set-ups also help. Will Ranieri have those qualities?

His motivation is largely irrelevant; he can come here for the money for all I care if he succeeds. What is important is that he brings a model for success for a club of our size with our targets - something he hasn't had experience of since his Cagliari days

"giving him a chance" sounds to me you're not actually over the moon with this appointment either. The phrase "damning with faint praise" springs to mind. As others have said, when the first ball is kicked, we will support our team, but until then I will feel uncomfortable about recent events which I feel were largely unnecessary.

... the rationale behind a CV is that it provides reference points underpinning an individual's experience and acheivements ... it is commonly used as a comparison tool by prospective employers ... given Ranieri's and Pearson's respective CVs IMHO Ranieri's is more impressive ... as such I find it strange that he is already being written off by some and particularly by comparisons to Sven because Sven managed some of those same clubs or in those same leagues ...

... how much knowledge and experience pf English lower leagues and youth set-ups did Mouinho, Wenger, Mancini, Pellegrini have ... frankly for me that is irrelevant ... they employ others to scout ... what Ranieri does have ... and the facts prove it ... is the ability to be a success in whatever national league he plys his trade in ... far more important to me than first hand knowledge of Swindon Town's youth set up ...

 

[FosseFilberto]

How can you say he's not a journeyman? He's not stayed anywhere for more than two years since leaving Chelsea. Nobody said anything about luck - he achieve some great things early in his career which set him up for a career at big name clubs. He's done OK at that level, but the interest from the big clubs has dried up - so, knowing we have some money, he touted himself for our manager role. As for his capabilities for that role and for his motivation, see my previous message.

Nobody as "written him off" either. That would be to expect relegation, and I don't think anyone has said that. It's just an uninspiring, unexciting and disappointing appointment.

OK he's a journeyman ... if that is defined in football terms by managing more than one club, doing OK but without acheiving outstanding success ... now who does that remind me of? ... so why are you all whinging ... we've ditched one journeyman and brought in another who, undeniably, has acheived more in real terms than the one we have just lost ... simples.

 

[FosseFilberto]

Why do you need to speak to someone to realise their intention?

... because it would certainly put you in a far more knowledgeable position ... in reality all you have is a suspicion of his motives for taking the job ...

... obviously he is not coming to us like Saint Nigel did ... who could or woud? ... singularly altruistic in his motives... a deep undying love for our club, a devotion to players and staff and the burning desire to complete 'unfinished business' ... I'm sure it had nothing to do with him already being at odds with his then current employers and being offered an improved remuneration package to join us ... just as I'm convinced tht he would still have chosen us even if a 'bigger' club had offered him and even better remuneration package at that same time ...

 

[FosseFilberto]

Eyes are wide open, as is my mind. Not sure why there is so much pessimism abounding. The guy is the same age as me, and whilst he may not have the passion for LCFC, I can understand that he may still have that passion for football, and management in the Premiership. I actually think it will be an achievement if he keeps us in the Prem this coming season, as the promoted teams all look better sides than Burnley and QPR were.

Oh, and I never make a judgement about anybody unless I have spoken to them, and certainly not about their passion and motives. Of course he is here as a face for King Power. Any manager of our football club is. It is called professionalism.

... absolutely agree ... the bloke has been tried and judged before he's even managed one game

 

[FosseFilberto]

Ranieri isn't here for pittance and he's shown he's not bothered about his reputation providing he gets paid for it.

... damning words indeed ... but wouldn't you agree that such indictment is even more in point for the manager who has just left? ... doubt he was on a subsistence wage and his off-field antics hardly demonstrated a huge concern for his or the club's 'reputation' ...

... and before the Nigelletes start smudging their make-up and self-harming their pom poms ... I have no personal agenda against Nigel Pearson ... I've merely left my rose tinted specs in the bathroom and have consigned him to where he now belongs ... a place in our history ... I enjoyed his tenure but it is now over and we now need to support the new guy ... whoever it is ... and it is Claudio Ranieri ... so welcome Claudio.

 

[AKCJ]

... because it would certainly put you in a far more knowledgeable position ... in reality all you have is a suspicion of his motives for taking the job ...

... obviously he is not coming to us like Saint Nigel did ... who could or woud? ... singularly altruistic in his motives... a deep undying love for our club, a devotion to players and staff and the burning desire to complete 'unfinished business' ... I'm sure it had nothing to do with him already being at odds with his then current employers and being offered an improved remuneration package to join us ... just as I'm convinced tht he would still have chosen us even if a 'bigger' club had offered him and even better remuneration package at that same time ...

Where are you getting this idea that "Nige came here for an underlying love for our club" idea from? Nobody has suggested anything of the sort?

It's a job, of course he's there to make money and the most he can. But can you deny the passion, time and effort he spent atempting to bring us back to the promised land and do you think Ranieri would be bothered if we go down?

 

[Barwellfox]

No and yes, in that order.

 

[AKCJ]

... absolutely agree ... the bloke has been tried and judged before he's even managed one game

Nobody has.

He's open to sceptisicm, which comes with the territory.

His motives are also open to questioning. I don't believe he's here in the best interests of the club but to patch together the holes Messrs Hopper, Smith and Pearson punched in the relationship between the people of Thailand and King Power.

 

[Barwellfox]

I am sure that is part of it AKCJ - the owners want a professional face to the club. They also want to stay in the Prem, not just for the lucre, but for the respect that this brings to them. If they simply wanted someone for politic, they could have got someone a lot cheaper than CR.

 

[LeicesterWizard]

If its to be believed, Pearson wasn't that "hands on" with things like training either, he left it to Shakey/Walsh, same with sports science staff.

My main concern is that when Pearson gets another job, he'll take all of them with him and would be a much much bigger upset to the training and fitness of the players, i hope we are well into the season before this happens though.

Personally i don't think CR will be concerned with bringing his "own people" in and think he won't mess about with it.

 

[BucksFox]

I haven't a clue why some of you think that keeping Pearson would have almost guaranteed us success next season and a move to the next level (whatever that is), and that anyone else at the helm will get us relegated. We escaped by a whisker last season and for long periods he had no idea what to do to try and rescue our season. These are the same people who were saying they would have stuck with him even if he had taken us down last season. Now they are concocting all sorts of imagined and unconfirmed reasons as to why Ranieri is here and condemning him before he's even started, solely to justify their own 'fact based' opinions. Repeat the lie long enough and loud enough and it will eventually become the truth!