The looming threat of a dangerous and unusual intrusion into his body has probably got him all discombobulated.
I'm talking about Gina, of course, not the hip-op.
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I'm talking about Gina, of course, not the hip-op.
My view is similar.
I am well pleased as
A) group offers some means to increase cl money as a hard group and struggling to 3rd on 3 or 4 points gives us ****e money. If we could take 10points here that equates to a lot of money. Getting into last 16 is worth more than Europa c.f. run. There is enterprise money awarded right at last 16 for all
B) similar to above winning a few cl group games is better for our coefficient than Europa games.
I'm quite please as long as we deliver of course.
I think we should get 2nd. I would now be disappointed with 3rd. We won't get 1st.
No... any Europe where you take 20 points in the year is good. Play I g to at in European bothering yo win the group games there will deliver that just fine. Seville prove this. They are in pot 2 due to winning europa
You really need 4 out of 5 years to be good like Utd or 5 decent years consistently.
The issue of England is theres 7good clubs including everton but there isa risk that a southampton or Swansea win the two cups and go to Europe leaving in of the 7 at home.
There's also the risk of a manager ****ing up chasing europa final and ending up 8th
Unpopular view but klopp ****ed us up doing that. The league is the bread and butter.
Imo England will struggle in Europe til it sorts it's cups out. We have 2 for no real reason. It's a historic thing from when gates were important and having a two legged league cup made clubs money.
As of now we need to hope stop 6 side wins this thing so 6th in table gets europa. The fa cup seems more last chance for top6 towin sknething and more likely to be won.
If I were fa I would want 6th having league cup europa spot... but it would kill the comp.
I've always said the same.No... any Europe where you take 20 points in the year is good. Play I g to at in European bothering yo win the group games there will deliver that just fine. Seville prove this. They are in pot 2 due to winning europa
You really need 4 out of 5 years to be good like Utd or 5 decent years consistently.
The issue of England is theres 7good clubs including everton but there isa risk that a southampton or Swansea win the two cups and go to Europe leaving in of the 7 at home.
There's also the risk of a manager ****ing up chasing europa final and ending up 8th
Unpopular view but klopp ****ed us up doing that. The league is the bread and butter.
Imo England will struggle in Europe til it sorts it's cups out. We have 2 for no real reason. It's a historic thing from when gates were important and having a two legged league cup made clubs money.
As of now we need to hope stop 6 side wins this thing so 6th in table gets europa. The fa cup seems more last chance for top6 towin sknething and more likely to be won.
If I were fa I would want 6th having league cup europa spot... but it would kill the comp.
Too dangerous to put all your eggs in one basket, especially one that can be dropped with one bad game.
It worked for Utd last season, but they were lucky that they never met anyone worth playing.
to be fair it can go both ways.
I bet you were more than happy when rafa sacked off the PL to bring home the CL. I'd rather eggs in one basket for glory then just top 4 thanks
Utd had a great run... I mean i think seriously spurs were idiotic in what they did. Look at them now... group of death.
IMO spurs could hand and should have had a long run in europa and still got 2nd in league. they could have been in pot 2 and got a much easier cl group had they got to sf or final or europa.
Utd had imo a free run at that comp last year with teams left in but fair play yo can only beat whats put in front of you.
some context:
Spurs last year: 12.985 coefficient points.
Utd last year: 29.985
liverpool 2 years 24.84.
Add 12 points to spurs tally and they would be close to utd in 178/18 position in europe and prob in pot 2.
Do the same over the past 4 yeas or even just add 5 points a year to them and they would be right up there.
They throw the comp every single year.... their reward? group of death and at best europa again this year... which they will again throw and prob again be pot 3...
By all means the league is bread and butter but you have to give the european competitions respect and get those coefficent points... this is why you can't go putting eggs in one basket
One one hand klopp ****s lfc for 4 years by failing to get europe so we have a blank year in coefficients. 8th = disaster
on the other... spurs dump europe every year for league and get into cl but then fail miserably due to poor seeding
Real clubs need to do both. get the results.
I don't see LFC acting like a real club yet cos we've not put the team in place to compete in both comps. We will be to the pin of our collar to play the 6 group matches and league games never mind anything else... one key injury and its all down the pan too.
Does the champion not get in pot 1 automatically. We should be top seed due to being champions next year.
Does the champion not get in pot 1 automatically. We should be top seed due to being champions next year.
yes that is true now. This has mixed up the groups hugeyl and the round of 16 now. It used to be arsenal would be in pot 2 finish second and be assure of a top side from top seeds of other groups and just go out.
Now they do the same except they are losing to second seeds to win their groups
That pot 2 is now more dangerous that pot 1... english clubs have a 50/50 chance of getting a team out of po1 one they can beat... pot 2 are all high perofrmaing european clubs with good 5 year track record in europe.
thats not what happened though....
We were already pretty much ****ed in 2005 and never getting 4th.... thats the reality.
everton lost 3 of their last 4 games to make it look a bit closer.
Its more like utd did last season that what klopp dd TBF.
klopp could easily have got 5th or 6th then.. he drew 4 out of last 6, winning one and losing one.... thats 11 points out of 18 dropped and we missed european spot by 2 points in the process
now.... that really is sacking off the league when in fact it was easier get the points and europe
We drew to: newcastle 2-2 (that was a **** show and should have been won) cheslea (not bad but scored first) and west brom on last day when west brom didn't give a stuff.... and we lost to swansea 3-1 and prob saved them...
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Not hindsight just my view. Better off putting your eggs in 1 basket (the europey/CL) than trying to get top 4. If you are challenging for the title thats a different matter.
As mentioned, it's probably worse finishing off as champions as the likelihood of you getting a crap group is bigger than being in pot 2.
Being in Pot 2 is actually best as you have a higher chance of getting a weaker top seed.
**** it - I'll take being third seed if it means we get easy groups like this!!
I'm very happy with our group - I understand we want to play the big teams but I also want to get as far as possible. We have a great chance of getting into the KO stages and THEN we can play the big teams.
And also - having these 'easier' teams means it helps us to rotate the squad as well. If we had a group of death, we would certainly be playing our best team and then Heavily rotate for the PL.
Maybe this way, we can now we can play better for the PL.
I'm very happy with our group - I understand we want to play the big teams but I also want to get as far as possible. We have a great chance of getting into the KO stages and THEN we can play the big teams.
And also - having these 'easier' teams means it helps us to rotate the squad as well. If we had a group of death, we would certainly be playing our best team and then Heavily rotate for the PL.
Maybe this way, we can now we can play better for the PL.
When you play the big teams in the group stage it's always crap anyway because both teams usually know a point's good enough and away goals mean nothing
tbf I don't think Chelsea fans can ever talk about eggs in one basket. You have the absolute luxury of not just strength in depth but massive strength and depth. 25+ of your 'eggs' go out on loan for goodness sake
Chelsea F.C.: " We buy players so you don't have to".tbf I don't think Chelsea fans can ever talk about eggs in one basket. You have the absolute luxury of not just strength in depth but massive strength and depth. 25+ of your 'eggs' go out on loan for goodness sake
tbf I don't think Chelsea fans can ever talk about eggs in one basket. You have the absolute luxury of not just strength in depth but massive strength and depth. 25+ of your 'eggs' go out on loan for goodness sake
I don't think we've had any strength in depth in the past few years. Not like City or United or even the gooners who have massive squads.
Yeah we've bought loads of talented youngers to loan out though (likewise you'd have strength in depth if you counter your youngers
).Anyway i'm not sure what relevance having a dig at chelsea is, i was defending Klopp for putting his eggs in one basket and would do so myself. We even did it a few years back for Di Matteo won the CL
Who needs relevance?I don't think we've had any strength in depth in the past few years. Not like City or United or even the gooners who have massive squads.
Yeah we've bought loads of talented youngers to loan out though (likewise you'd have strength in depth if you counter your youngers
Anyway i'm not sure what relevance having a dig at chelsea is, i was defending Klopp for putting his eggs in one basket and would do so myself. We even did it a few years back for Di Matteo won the CL