This new layout does some weird things sometimes. I clicked to reply to your post typed something then changed my mind but theres no cancel like the old way so i just deleted all that. Then i typed what i thought was a new post with a new point about the SMC and its profits or lack of. Should not have been a reply to your post.
It would be interesting if the council could fund expansion by bypassing the club and SMC. The letter seems to suggest this. Not that we have anyone in sports and leisure at the council who is business minded but if they were to agree to offer land on the stadium site in return for expansion of the East Stand in any major development then would it happen. Didn't they do something similar at KR partnering with the NHS.. I remember Hudgell saying he wanting nothing to do with the new stand at one point.... We could have a day surgery unit or a fat club centre built at the back of the East Stand with NHS money in the shape of a yacht!
AGAIN, because the only connection between HCC and the Premier league is through Hull City. The Premier League is not a bank, lending money for interest. They are not a philanthropic organisation asking for bids for their money to be given to (like Assem Allam is). They are a members organisation whose ONLY PURPOSE IS TO MAKE MONEY FOR IT'S MEMBERS. It is Hull City AFC that is a member of that organisation and THAT is the reason why HCC has no business asking for funding without at least consulting Hull City AFC.
Thanks for taking the trouble to tell me something I already know. It seems to me that you believe that only those that predict the markets for the next 100yrs should be allowed to prosper and that luck should never play a part. Perhaps you could at least give credit to the councillors of 1914 for investing that huge £192,000 in the future of their city. I think you have a very narrow and very jaundiced view of history and business alike.
More nonsense. They (the PL) are an organisation that can be approached by anyone. As I have said, it might have been considered courteous to inform Hull City AFC, if there were a club that acknowledged that name and an owner who was deserving of the courtesy he refuses other's, but there isn't and they didn't, so bloody good for them.
The point I am trying to make, that you persistently ignore, is that your assertion that the Council gave us the money for the Stadium is rubbish. First of all the money was ours already and secondly the money was only there because of speculation within the market. Certainly nothing to do with anything the council had done and very little to do with anything KC had done.
Have you ever heard of the Articles of Association, if so do you think the Premier Leagues articles of association states that one of it's aims is to lend or give it's money to anyone that comes along asking for it?
This is pretty much the principle I tried to explain in #127 about the 'unwritten condition', in that the councillors of the day acted to safeguard the future of the two clubs and it AND, in it's current format, was a necessary evil, a Pearson negotiating chip, something I would expect of him, as he was in quite a strong position.
You really do need to stop putting the wrong spin on things, as I am not ignoring anything. 1. It does not matter how the money came about, it only matters that the City of Hull had it and the councillors responsible for it made it available, as was within their authority. That is all I have said. 2. The telephone company ran (more or less) from 1914 to 1999 - 85yrs - waiting for this luck to come along, building and developing a modern city telephone system along the way. Was it really such a fluke that the world moved quickly to the dotcom age? Were Bill Gates, Alan Sugar, Steve Jobs, flukey? 3. The council gave us a stadium, bought and paid for by money they controlled within their authority. The ratepayers money or the money belonging to the people of Hull, whatever way you wish to describe it, it's a moot point. Your argument has nothing whatsoever to do with the original conversation, so we'll leave it there.
nobody from HFC have ever been involved with SMC.In the beginning the council wanted a watertight deal that no conventional SMC would entertain, and as HFCs CEO ,Shane Richardson was about to return to Australia,this only left Adam Pearson, Citys head honcho of the day to take it on and to this day the ownership of SMC has gone hand in glove with the ownership of HCFC..................A HCC fcuk up of large proportions from day 1 IMO !!
I have had no view on that, why is it of interest to you? I don't put a sign up saying begging letters accepted and considered, but I would never totally disregard the outside chance I might receive a random letter that I find worthy of some support. I have never said the PL are in the loan business, nor have I said that the council expected anything other that what they got. Read back and stick to the facts of what has been discussed. By the way, I have heard of the Articles of Association, but I would welcome you educating me on how they might impact on this small exchange of letters?
That's either comedy genius or, as I've been suspicious of since reading most of the bollocks you've posted on this subject, that you're on HCC.
Nope, I'll leave that to you and your obsession with Dr Allam, and your defense of the indefensible HCC. Painting one as an Ogre and the other as enlightened public servants doing their best for the citizens of Hull, especially the football fans.
You used the analogy, I simply continued with it: "If your landlord was considering applying for a loan or a grant to improve your rented property (hypothetically) why on earth do you consider he should inform you of the fact at that stage?" As for the Articles of Association, the point is far from your analogy about receiving letters and giving support to them being accurate, I would suggest that it would be impossible for the Premier League to offer HCC their support because such action would be in direct contradiction to their articles of association.. As such information is publicly available, AGAIN, you have to say what would be the point of the council writing a begging letter to the Premier League? It is LITERALLY impossible for them to do so.
