i cant see any ground work to be honest swamp, the players hated him and he lost 18 players that refused to play for him, some retired but still played top football, he was arrogant and not a nice person to play for, so i give tosh zero credit whatsoever and we have improved 10 fold since he was replaced.....
Ar5e! I was quite positive about the appointment of Coleman....but news stories like THIS one are a bit of a worry. Sounds like things weren't done properly when he left Larissa...slagging them off as publicly as he has probably hasn't helped either. Last thing we (as a nation) needs is for this appointment to be messy. Do we need to blame the FAW again, this time for lack of due-diligence in the appointment? Or is this on Coleman?.....
I'm going to keep faith in the appointment. Sounds to me as if they've seen an opportunity to make some much needed cash. If ever there was a time for the FAW not to mess up... given the circumstances, this has to be it
Toshack had/has the man management skills of a plank of wood - without the personality. He played the youngsters because he had no option. Many of the experienced pros would not play for him. Okay some were well passed their sell by date anyway and didn't deserve further games. Hope the Larrisa issue is not correct. Could well be bluster from a cash strapped Greek club hoping to make some money on the back of a lack of clarity. Anyway, getting money from the FAW is harder than shoving melted butter up a porcupine's ar$e with a red hot needle. Never mind you are a Jack, welcome Chris. We wish you and us every success and you will have the support of all when you continue to build on Gary Speed's foundations.
I have a bad feeling about Coleman , there is something about the guy, that is not very likeable, too old style, too monotone, no effervescence or charisma. Hope i'm wrong, but the players wanted to do well for speed and they liked him, I can see Chris Coleman being hard work to get on with, let alone enjoy being with.
as long as coleman stamps his authority from day one then he will do well. if a player wants to play at the highest level then he has to leave the man management alone and concentrate on his playing skills to impress coleman and his staff, they have no business on who is appointed, if they dont like it dont play just like players did under tosh.....
how unprofessional are larissa? to claim they should apologize to the supporters / shareholders that they appointed CC? they have not paid some staff and players for 6 months to a year, maybe they should look at themselves.. also, just to clarify, i'm not defending toshacks tactics, which i believe were awful, just that although things went rapidly downhill for him in his last 2 years or so, i think some of the players would agree with me that under a different manager they wouldnt have got a look in
these greeks are trying to cash in because they are skint, coleman resigned because over financial difficulties so they dont have any case for compansation....he was not their manager....worth a try though....
this. he's just not very inspirational at all. speed hadn't done anything management wise, but was a legend player wise. coleman is neither.
he may not stand out, but he's the best man we've got available, and as the FAW wont pay much, the only people who would take the job would be 10 times worse than coleman...
Agreed - there was a lot of initial and subsequent negativity about Speed but look how that changed once the good results started. Coleman seems like a good guy, very knowledgable about the game so he has to be given every chance and more importantly, the fans' support.
Dunno about that really. If we're looking at Welsh managers who have managed previously, then he's the only one who would want the job as Pulis and Hughes have bigger ambitions at the moment that international football. We should've just stuck with Verheijen though, or given him and Osian Roberts the chance to choose a manager, or at least help the FAW decide on a manager, who they believe shares their footballing philosophy and can carry on the good work Speed did with the squad. The FAW who only looked for Welsh candidates have again shown how narrow minded and unimaginative they actually are. We were stuck with Toshack for ages because of the FAW's stubborn refusal to look for any managers that weren't Welsh meaning that because there were no outstanding Welsh candidates who wanted the job and had a CV like Toshack's he was kept in charge till the very end to the detriment of our qualifying campaigns. That said he deserves a chance to show what he can do. The only problem is Speed has set the bar high with the team's last 4 or 5 performances. A poor start in the world cup qualifying campaign could see the fans turn on Coleman and that will see us tumble down the rankings again if the players aren't getting the public's support.
1) then my point stands, is he not the best welsh manager available? 2) no, the chief executive should decide who is the next manager, i agree i think verheijen could have been either a permanent or caretaker manager but if CC doesnt want him then he must go..if we dont have the funds to pay a foreign manager (a good one) then why should we hire one? i dont think having someone who hasnt heard of any of the players speaking through an interpreter is the way forwards, especially if we cant afford it.. besides, i wouldnt feel so proud of us winning if it was under a foreigner... 3) good, however, speed had a mediocre start, and we cant expect CC to win the next 5 games, nor would it be fair, we have a very difficult group, we'll do excellently to finish 3rd, which would be some achievement considering we were bottom seeds..
No! I have said it once and i'll say it again, the players should have a say in the next manager as the FAW are full of ****ing idiots!!! Coleman said that he would look to keep the original setup left by Speed as "if it's not broke don't fix it" then today, as soon as he officially get the job he is looking at Kit Symonds to replace Verheijen!!!! (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...-Wales-shake-Chris-Coleman--Charles-Sale.html) It stinks!!! As for Toshack being responsible for getting players like Morrison etc in the squad then yeah everyone is right he is responsible...not out of choice though its because he pissed off anyone else who wanted to play.....something which the FAW, in thier infinite wisdom have done now....Our 3 best players (arguably Bale, Ramsey & Williams) wanted Verheijen in and its looks at if he is going to be axed, and the Welsh team will suffer with Coleman's abject ability to manage a football team most likely leading us back down to 100 and something in the world!!! Coleman as manager = 2 steps forward and 22 back!!!
Its not hard to select the best players for the Welsh squad. However this was behond Toshack. You just need a decent / coach tactitian. We wont get a manager in the PL. Coleman wouldnt have taken this job if he was in a PL job and almost certainly not if he was in a Championship job in my opinion. Last seen sacked at Coventry in this country wasnt he. Im sure better men could be found. Remember the old who can do a better job than Dave Jones argument? They probably should have given it to Speeds assistant. Irrelevant now - time to get behind Coleman. Maybe he will do a good job. Id rather him than out of work managers like Gordon Strachan and Dave Jones(sorry Taff). Lets face it weve a near zero chance of qualifying anyway.
i suggested dave jones in an earlier thread hilts as i think he would do very well but coleman was always going to be the choice of the F.A.W the moment speedo died, I'm happy with the choice as i think he will do very well, lets be honest here that speedo was a terrible club manager and showed no skills of ever being a national manager whatsoever but better people than us saw potential in him and they were right, colemans cv in management is far better than speeds was and the people at the top have gone for coleman and now only time will tell on how good he will be, i think he will do us proud and will carry on where speedo left off.......im glad the F.A.W took no notice of the players and put them in their place as what they are ...just players who if they want to play at the highest level must show coleman they are good enough to play for wales and not the other way round where the players pick who will be the boss of wales as no two players will agree....
hang on, the new manager should be able to make his own decisions, if he is to fail then at least let him do it his own way, why on earth should he keep verheijen if he doesnt want to? just to please the players/ fans? part of management is to make difficult decisions and as CC said, he will be his own man and not some sort of puppet, implementing other peoples ideas.. he's a manager, not a politician, he wants to get results the same as all of us and should do so how he sees fit, its not a popularity contest its a results business.. hilts? really? who else could we have got taking in to account the pittance wage on offer? dave jones or gordon strachan? piss off, to appoint a foreign manager he's got to be twice as good as any welsh candidate and willing to work for the same money and obviously thats not possible.. and to say he would have failed if we dont qualify, look at the other teams in the group, they are excellent, established teams...as it stands we are not..
we are minnows in a big pond and anybody will find it difficult to get us to qualify whether it was sir Alex or coleman. we have to be realistic here and coleman will do everything possible to make sure we will do the best we can possibly do and if we dont quite make it then so be it, just as long as we give everything we can then we cant ask for anything more......we are a tiny nation who have under achieved for years and now we are back to where we belong as one of the better teams of the countries the same size as us
