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Match Day Thread Chelsea vs Southampton - Saturday 3rd October, K.O. 17:30

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by SAINTDON13, Sep 30, 2015.

  1. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    Honestly, not at all. I'm as critical of divers as the next person. I just don't accept that Mane dives at every opportunity within the danger area. I think he used to a lot, and he still goes down easily and leaves it to the judgement of the referee, but actual clear dives, no, he hasn't done one for a while. Whether he has a reputation or not, we don't just cast that opinion in stone. For example, can you be 100% certain that Koeman has not told him to cut it out and that he isn't actually diving anymore.?
     
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  2. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Because I've seen him dive on more than one occasion this season?
     
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  3. San Tejón

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    Last season Mane went down far too easily, but I thought he had come through that "stage" and was far less likely to do so now.
    I am surprised that some see him in the same light as Ashley Young, TBH.
     
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  4. TheSecondStain

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    Tell me. I've probably got the match file. I'd like to see it.
     
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  5. Libby

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    I can't think of it off the top of my head, I'm not on about just for pens/FK's near the box, all over the pitch he does. He doesn't seem to be as bad as last season granted, I remember for his first goal v Villa he probably could of gone down but didn't n scored, I was hoping that would be the end but he still does it.
     
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  6. Lff

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    Slightly off topic but I was wondering whether or not refs looked at the TV footage at halftime.

    It could certainly influence their second half performance if they did.

    I agree that he has improved. Actually, he is both very strong and has terrific balance when he chooses to employ it. I actually can't think of a better player at out-muscling bigger opponents and at staying upright when hacked.
     
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  7. TheSecondStain

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    OK. Tell you what, let's make a compromise here. From here on let's appraise his diving reputation on a foul by foul basis. Wipe the slate clean, and see how many times he dives during the rest of the season. Fair enough.?
     
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  8. Libby

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    Really? They're both very similar in the way they play for FK's - even if it's not what you would call a 'dive' they both use their pace to knock the ball away n run into the opponent with no intention of chasing the ball, just wanting the FK.

    To be honest I didn't really expect this to escalate this far, the point I originally was trying to make, is the reason he got booked v Chelsea is probably because he has a reputation for diving already which means he is less likely to get fouls nearer the box unless ref is 100% sure - I then compared that to what we've seen with Bale/Young over the years who don't get legitimate fouls because they're known to dive.

    I'm absolutely staggered that there are so many who don't consider Mane a diver.

    EDIT: Another good example of above is Sterling, now I'm sure if I went back I could find plenty of comments calling him a diver or saying he goes to ground too easily. Same as Mane <ok>
     
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  9. Libby

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    If you want sounds good <ok> I doubt I'll get to watch every minute but I'm sure plenty on here do. I'm willing to bet he dives at least once a game somewhere on the pitch. I wasn't really trying to turn this into a Mane debate as explained above.
     
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  10. TheSecondStain

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    No, that's OK. What I'm trying to establish is if his reputation is as deserved this season as it undoubtedly was at some point last season.
     
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  11. Libby

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    Fair enough, like I said earlier it definitely seems to have improved on last season, but not to the extent where he doesn't do it anymore imo. Will be interesting to see.
     
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