Off Topic Ched Evans

Just read that the reason Oldham have cancelled is that a staff member was told that if they signed him a 'family member would be raped'. Really? If that is true then whoever issued that threat is an absolute piece of crap.

 

Have I missed something? Were Robben, RVP or Bramble ever convicted of a criminal offence.

For sure you might say that some of the roastings Robben has given full backs are tantamount to a vicious assault, or that some of Brambles displays for us are akin to a crime in any civilised society but in terms of crimes committed and convicted for...

Where do you draw the line in terms of the type of crime? Rape and murder are obviously terrible crimes. However what about assaults? They have been known to have long lasting psychological effects on the victim.

As for his sentence etc, I think Freddd has already broached this subject. It is way too expensive to keep people in prison. The numbers of crimes being committed mean we have to have some form of release system. Or bring back capital punishment. Or find another Australia to send them to

 

There are a few issues here that take this case beyond that of a convicted rapist, Evan's "Supporters" have outed the victim a number of times causing her untold damage and even led to threats of violence against her. he has shown absolutely no remorse or even a modicum of understanding as to why he was convicted, to the extent that he and his financial backer have persued a legal review of his conviction, he only served half the prison term so saying he has done his time is erroneous and contrary to one commenter on here any professional footballer is a role model for the public. I don't agree that he should return to a well rewarded and high profile profession having commited the offence he was convicted of, I don't think that the other players who caused death by dangerous driving should be still playing either, however if the people around Evans had any sense then they should have when he was released dropped any legal actions, issued a statement of remorse and stayed very quiet for 12 months before looking to ease him back into the profession.

 

I'm afraid he has served his time according to the judicial system. It doesn't matter what his sentence was at the outset, that is only the beginning of his time with the judicial system in this country. As we all know people are released early from their sentences all the time. You or I might not agree that they should be released early but according to the justice system in this country Ched Evans has done his time is eligible for release and to find employment.

 

For sure you might say that some of the roastings Robben has given full backs are tantamount to a vicious assault, or that some of Brambles displays for us are akin to a crime in any civilised society but in terms of crimes committed and convicted for...

Where do you draw the line in terms of the type of crime? Rape and murder are obviously terrible crimes. However what about assaults? They have been known to have long lasting psychological effects on the victim.

As for his sentence etc, I think Freddd has already broached this subject. It is way too expensive to keep people in prison. The numbers of crimes being committed mean we have to have some form of release system. Or bring back capital punishment. Or find another Australia to send them to [/QUOTE]

I'm a bit too right wing with how I think some crimes should be treated. But then again, I think some actions that aren't currently crimes should be as they have lasting psychological impact on the victims that never really go away. Prison should only be for the very worst offenders who have no hope of rehabilitation and are a danger to society. Constantly locking up petty thieves for example or those that refuse to pay their TV licences is just a complete waste of time and money. Serial killers, serial rapists and other violent criminals who have through their own personality traits will never change, are one group who should be locked up permanently.

 

The whole 'trial by social media' is becoming the norm' these days and i'm sick of it.

The 'Big Society' is now a terrifying concept. I begin to wonder if the majority of people should have their vote taken off them. Idiots.

You can't imagine the irony of people threatening the lives of the Oldham Athletic Board members, without considering that they too have broken the law by making the threats. But that's ok because it's not rape

People are stupid and it makes me sick.

 

I think it was a threat to rape a board members family member, so yes very ironic

 

There were death threats made.

That's why Oldham have pulled out of the deal.

The stupidity of the people who make these threats is not in question.

 

Excuse the snip; I was saving space and not belittling your post.

I will accept what he is; he is a sex offender. He has served his custodial portion of his sentence and I will strongly put forward that, as yet, he has not completed his sentence. He is still serving his sentence under parole, licence or whatever you may wish to call it.

However, it is the part of the judicial system to tell him what he can and can't do during his licence and it is up to the same and/or the statute book what he must or must not do after his term has been served.

That he hasn't been instructed that he cannot play professional football is indication enough for me that he should be permitted to carry on in the game. If the law demands or the judge instructs various prohibitions on the offender then these should be upheld. If neither the law nor the judiciary give such instructions then it is not the place for the general public to take it on them to decide someone's punishment.

Allowing the public to act as judge, jury and executioner is nothing but mob rule.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30722511

The laws in Bangladesh seem a little ****ed up mind!

 

Cutting his dick off with a pair of rusty shears seems the only logical solution. If he signs for Luton I'd be afraid he may jump in the crowd at any moment and start rogering my family members.

 

What the hell? The guy has done his time. He's been punished and should be allowed to live his life now and reintegrate into society.

 

He did half his sentence, like many other convicted criminals. The question is about him reintegrating into society it's about him walking back in a privileged position after being found guilty of a serious crime. If I was convicted of a crime I would lose my job and would never be able to work there again.

 

Just imagine if he is telling the truth and all this was I lie ?

I understand he put himself in the position in the first place however didn't the girl cry wolf two years before with a rugby player ??

 

Well duh. Being a footballer is hardly a profession of great responsibility or integrity. If he were a violent convicted criminal, maybe other players would not want to play with or against him (like lets say... uh... Joey Barton?). How do you know you'd lose your job and wouldn't be allowed to work in your profession again?

I doubt id lose my medical license upon being convicted of rape.Certainly if a patient was involved but outside? They'd need legal precedence. Sure it might be hard to find a job but such is life as a convicted criminal.

However the whole media and public ganging up on a guy because he has a rape conviction is basically everyone saying our justice system is ****. Because we agreed to let him out. If you won't let him work you should have hanged him.

The whole thing stinks. The circumstances of his crime are sketchy. He did his time. Or half of it, as you say... as is common place. Are you saying after another 2 years people will stop hounding him? He's playing football for heavens sake, not teaching a levels, becoming a gymnast trainer or caring for vulnerable people in a asylum.

And privileged position? Hes a footballer because hes good at it, and should have the right like everyone else to do for a living what hes good at.

 

Couple of points the "Circumstances of his crime are sketchy", in fact the circumstances of his crime are fully documented, his assumption of innocence that he claims is based upon the issue of consent not that he did not have intercourse with the women, he has previously tried and failed to appeal the judgement and is now using the Criminal Cases Review Commission to try and appeal his conviction. From my perspective I have no basic problem with him returning to football however the behaviour of both his supporters and their actions along with his utter lack of any remorse elevate this issue in many people minds, had he stopped his supporters from naming the women and campaining for his innocence, quietly left prison, not made a media fuss, got on with his life and eased back into football then there probably wouldn't have been all this storm, he and his supporters have as much blame as anyone for what has happened. It didn't much help with some of the Sheffield United fans making up some pretty terrible chants in support of Evans either. Finally considering the position of trust that someone has holding a medical license I think you would be struck off following a rape conviction.

 

People should read the case report which is available. The Court of Appeal refused leave to appeal and agreed with the way the Judge acted and as to how he treated the evidence and directed the jury. For those who ask why his 'friend' was acquitted yet Ched Evans was found guilty; the friend met the victim on the street and invited her back to a hotel room that CE had booked. It obvious why they were going back, so she gave consent and his friend reasonably believed that she had. Ched Evans, following a text from his friend, went to the hotel with other friends, lied to reception so that they would let him in, went to the hotel room, watched his friend have sex with the victim and then had sex with her himself whilst his 'friends' videoed the whole thing through a window. At no point did the victim know that he was going to be there or indeed that it was being filmed. Should she have been more careful? Definitely. She claimed she was so drunk that she couldn't remember giving consent and that was the issue put to the jury; consent. Her memory was central to the case and CE's experts tried to argue that the amount she had consumed did not stop her from giving consent. CE has never denied having sex with her. He has also never shown one bit of remorse. This is a guy who had sex with the victim then left her in the hotel whilst he left via a fire escape. He is sorry now because he realises most clubs won't touch him with a bargepole. He has made his bed [sic] - let him lie in it.

 

I think this is a subject that people will have strong feelings about, and have good reasons for feeling the way they do, whichever side of the argument they come down on.

Most things it will be difficult to get agreement on, but I think we can all agree that nobody comes out of this with any credit and that some of the actions from those on every side of the argument bring shame to our society.

 

It's an absolute mess. I can see both sides of the argument. I'm firmly in the no camp, but that's me. I don't think the FA have handled this well.