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Ched Evans- The media witch hunt continues

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Cruyff's Turn, Jan 5, 2015.

  1. Cruyff's Turn

    Cruyff's Turn Well-Known Member

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    I've seen it all now.The self confessed murderer of innocent left footers is quoting The Grauniad. Next week Abu Hamza - My love for Charlie Hebdo.
     
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  3. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

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    Interesting thoughts, repeated the internet over with both sides of the debate.

    Personal experience, I have dated two girls who were abused as kids (no, I don't hang out around rape crisis centres!!!! I just have a homing beacon seemingly). I know the long-term psychological damage sexual abuse does to somebody, and considering the immense pain I felt being told about it, I must say it's quite incomprehensible to even imagine experiencing it. While a neutral observer will note the difference in cases, one of predatory *****philia vs predatory sex, without an in-depth knowledge of the court proceedings, nobody here can correctly assert the impact this incident had on the victim, and whether the sentence Ched was issued was too lenient or not, or whether he was in fact innocent.

    I notice a lot of comments regarding the case which involve sexism have not been from the point of view of the woman, which must be accounted for somewhere, as often our culturally defined sub-conscious reaction can be quite violently one way or the other, and frequently, in fact, the women are the assumed devilish party. "She was asking for it", "She's just a money grabber", "Slut" etc portray a typical response to cases such as these. Obviously, she cannot be a money grabber, as she has remained entirely anonymous, which one must put at least alongside the fact Ched has "maintained innocence throughout". Malicious intent to damage a career it certainly is not.

    I do believe that there is a very worthwhile point to be made about the positive-discrimination currently ruling this country, an effort to redress a balance of centuries in a short space of time/social revolution has resulted in some poorly conceived appeasements, and white males have been disadvantaged (though I certainly am happy to be born in a century where I'm at least generally unlikely to ****e myself to death at 20). However, the particular law in question has been devised in current form for the simple known truth that women are more frequently raped than men, and THAT is why they require the added protection of this addition of "too drunk to consent". Of course, men too can bring about criminal proceedings in the same manner, but by and large it will normally be the case that the woman will be the prosecution witness. I'm pleased that the law of our country dictates the future of the humankind depends less on the sexual subjugation and rape of women.

    Yet the case of whether he should be allowed to play football professionally again is also directed by law. The fact is, he should be allowed. Whether convicted wrongly or not, whether his sentence was too short or not, is not the issue. Our laws are lenient, idealistic, and exceptionally naive, and, even with my stated experience, I applaud that. Giving someone a short stint in prison for a heinous crime, then letting them free in the hope they've been rehabilitated and will not make the same error again, even when statistically that's about as sane as the Venky's , is both stupid and ridiculously admirable. It shows the innate good that lawmakers want to promote in society! I'm not saying that's right, but that's my personal view. So when I see a media-led mob (and that's exactly what is happening), which is intent on imposing medieval, draconian punishments after the original sentence has been served (and themselves breaking laws left, right and ****ing centre by the way), I'm not stirred into action to deride some thicky footballer for a horrible crime in which I have empathy for any victim, I'm drawn to the sheep-mentality of the public.

    I support Newcastle United, and I had a season ticket when Joey Barton signed for the club. Very quickly, in fact the second or third game, Newcastle fans around me were chanting his name, and making pretty vulgar comments about what he'd do to the opposition. I kept silent. I didn't want him at the club, his rap-sheet is horrific and that's not something I was representing a football team I love. A year later and I was perhaps his biggest fan. Before my eyes I'd seen transform from aggressive, psychotic waster, to someone who lead by example and genuinely seemed to embody rehabilitation. That opened my eyes about the process.

    Personally, I wouldn't go to Newcastle games if he signed for Newcastle. I don't go anyway because Mike Ashley's a prick like <laugh>, but if I was attending, that would stop. I don't expect people to support him. What I do expect is that he be allowed to sign for a club, should the club be willing to tackle the ramifications. It's quite honestly disgusting that the BBC and Sky etc can basically report on Ched Evans' movements 24/7 and stoke up the nearest lynch-mob to chase him out of employment wherever he happens to go that day. The title of the thread is correct, it's a witch-hunt... BURN HIM!!!!! ****ER TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!

    I will add that if, in the perhaps unlikely event the investigation into his conviction reveals the original hearing and appeal were wrongly adjudicated, it'd be very interesting to see what happens! Do the media have to pay remuneration for costing Evans employment? Do they have to apologise for branding him a rapist every day since his release (with lax use of the term "convicted", this could be adjudged slander perhaps)? Do all these fans frothing at the mouth and posting remarks on twitter, that would lead to arrest in normal circumstances, apologise too? It would be a sight to see, although without the full facts of the case to ponder, I put my faith in the conviction.
     
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  4. Cruyff's Turn

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    Personally I feel the damage done to women by the institutionally sexist state condoned religions far worse than what Evans may or may not have done.Women are considered to be on the level of farm animals.Yes our government allows schools to teach them that it is right.
     
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  5. A.L.D.O 4.1

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    Judeans peoples front !

    **** off !
     
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    From the CCRC Website:

    What is “new evidence or legal argument”? If we are going to be able to refer your case for an appeal we willusually need to find some important new evidence or legal argument.Usually this means something that was not covered at your trial or yourappeal. For example it may be new evidence not known about at the time, or something that has changed since your trial, like the appearance of a new witness or a new development in science. Wecan’t usually look again at things that were known about by the jury,the judge or the magistrates, even if you believe that they made the wrong decision in your case. We need to identify something new that wasn’t raised back then, and that the judges at your appeal didn’tknow either, that makes your case look significantly different now.
     
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  7. SUPERNORWICH 23

    SUPERNORWICH 23 SUPERNORWICH

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    Judeans peoples front = groomer of rape victims and dogfucker.
     
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  8. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

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    And yet I'm not interested in dating you <nahnah>
     
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  9. SUPERNORWICH 23

    SUPERNORWICH 23 SUPERNORWICH

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    I find your gross disregard for the feelings of the victims of Joey Barton's crimes totally abbhorent.
     
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  10. SUPERNORWICH 23

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    I find your gross disregard for the feelings of the victims of Joey Barton's crimes totally abbhorent.
     
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  11. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

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    Better than "finding" me in bed with a goat, like you did with yo momma... ;)
     
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    SUPERNORWICH 23 SUPERNORWICH

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    I would get on my high horse but I'm afraid you may try to punch it.
     
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  13. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

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    I would support Norwich, but I'm afraid I like football...
     
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    Was one of your ex girlfriends/rape victims Bianca Gasgoine?.
     
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  15. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

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    I don't remember your sister's name, to be fair <ok>
     
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  16. SUPERNORWICH 23

    SUPERNORWICH 23 SUPERNORWICH

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    Judean peoples front aka Jimmy 5 bellies.
    You usually check the the little metal disc on the collar after sex for the name and phone number <ok>
     
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    Remember in Newcastle NO means WOOF.
     
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  18. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

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    In relation to... Wait what am I saying, that's a Norwich phrase isn't it? What with you chaps always being "in relations" :p
     
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    This afternoon on the sofa with me bitch (4 legged), I watched a classic episode of Morse that featured two of the finest detectives of all time: Morse, obviously and Detective Inspector Chisholm from Minder pretending to be a secondhand car dealer. Of all things! It's such a shame that Dev got kicked off the force as those three would have made an outstanding trio.
     
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    Go buy a jacket you tedious ****
     
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