I don't really buy into the board not giving Powell money over the past two seasons. He spent (allegedly) 500k on Wilson and 200k on Button. Fair enough Wilson has had a lot of game time but that is still overpriced and a decent amount that could have been spent on priority positions. But Button played twice or so and then left. Powell has a back up GK fetish. Even the Hamer signing was, at the time, unnecessary, and now he's done it with Alnwick.
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Could that be because you stopped?
We couldn't hear you before or after we scored
asking a millwall fan to be honest is as unlikely as millwall selling out, but come on, be truthful, you only started singing after you went in front. fair enough you won the game with a deflected shot, but saying you were louder all game would be like saying you outclassed us all match.
we were both sh1t yesterday, just we were sh1tter
Has anyone noticed we're actually only 3 points and about 2 positions behind where we were this time last season... Relax everyone we're eight games in!!
Last season we lost at home to Millwall 2-0 even though it was only seven matches we didnt lose for the rest of the season and just missed out on the playoffs
Last season we lost at home to Millwall 2-0 even though it was only seven matches we didnt lose for the rest of the season and just missed out on the playoffs
Has anyone else noticed that compared to last season, our squad is smaller and our two best players JJ and Yann are a year older, and picking up injuries.
When the facts change, i change my mind.
if we accept you argument that the players are cack, and there is no money for investment AND we accept jimmy's point that a manager doesn't have to improve a player by coaching them (
) , then what you are really saying is that we are going down. Because more of the 'same old' like yesterday WILL see us relegated.As a positive suggestion, Powell should fine any player in training this week who passes the ball over waist height. other managers do it. He should also consider going 4-4-2 at Burnley next Saturday, with recalls for Harriott and Cousins.
"Facts are meaningless - they can be used to prove anything" - Homer Simpson
Facts don't change but results might. What is clear is that your interpretation of facts is not the same as others on here and they are all largely subjective interpretations. I don't think you will change many minds at the current time since most people see yours as a priapic reaction when we are only 7 games in (Doncaster doesn't count - fact).
Scratching,
I too was around in the days of Lennie and Curbs. I can't believe you were serious to even compare CP to those two. There is a world of difference between idiotically calling for Curbs head after 15 years of brilliance, including seven in the PL, in comparison to what is happening now. It is your opinion that Powell is good. It is my opinion that he is dining on ten England caps and the supporters who have a middle class guilt complex because they buy their shopping off Ocado (same as the debate on Pritchard).
@ Jimmy
I think we have done the tactics debate. Powell is to tactics what Susan Boyle is to Ann Summers. How can long ball not be his fault ? He bought the players. He coached the players. He picked the players. Its down to him.
A Spurs fan mate of mine texted me the following during the game yesterday, he was watching us on Sky....
"why are Charlton playing **** hoof ball? "
Firstly, Powell won 5 England caps.
Secondly, for you to say he is dining on those caps is beyond ridiculous. Ask anybody in the game who has worked with Powell as player or manager - all agree he is the ultimate professional. So much so they made him PFA Chairman. And someone who was coasting through management based on his England caps wouldn't have achieved what he has so far.
I'd love to see you prove that he relies on the supporters' 'middle class guilt complex', but I bet you can't. I repeat: I have never seen any Charlton fan say the reason they like Chris Powell is because he is black. Rightly, the majority of Charlton fans like him because of his record both as player and manager; his skin colour doesn't come into it. Are you accusing us of liking Pritchard for his skin colour as well? That's equally absurd.
I think it is patently obvious that a certain number of our fans enjoy the luxury of being able to say at dinner parties and at the lodges, "how can I possibly be seen as a racist?, my car cleaner is asian, my wives dog walker is polish and we even have a black manager at the club now, god, aren't I wonderfully multicultural"
You can even hear them quoting Dr Dre on the walk up from Blackheath
It's the same type of people who order their food on Ocado, and then ostentatiously walk down to the corner shops with a Lidls carrier bag.
I well recall a post on another Charlton site when CP appointed Dyer and Matthew to his staff..."isn't it great we are the only club with all black staff".
One day a book will be written by an eminent Professor of Psychology on just why some fans feel the need to do this.
I well recall a post on another Charlton site when CP appointed Dyer and Matthew to his staff..."isn't it great we are the only club with all black staff".
One day a book will be written by an eminent Professor of Psychology on just why some fans feel the need to do this.
I think some fans cut Pritchard a lot more slack because they love being associated with his back story, yes.
SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious
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I'll accept some individuals maybe cut CP slack because of his playing days and how popular a figure he was/is (myself included), but I really can't see this whole story that it's because he is black. If that were the case I think we would all accept that it's a ridiculous notion to keep a manager based on his skin colour. I too think CP would be disgusted at such a scenario. But I have never seen anything to suggest that this is remotely true.
It is a tragic tale, Vol. The liquidation of Nuneaton Borough AFC is no laughing matter.
is it really that a ridiculous notion? Reading the local authority situations vacant column or police or service jobs ads, YOU WOULD NOT THINK SO. Many people are in jobs that they are not qualified or capable of doing so because they may be different skin toned. We actively as a nation want to employ different races irrespective of them being the best man for the job. I don't even think its stops at heart surgeons or police commisoners either....
SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious
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In regards to things like the police force, that has been made abundantly clear and common knowledge (though not something I agree with). But I can't say I have honestly ever come across a CAFC fan that has ever discussed the colour of CP's skin when discussing his professional future with us. Thats the only reason why I see it as ridiculous.
As mentioned previously, I think CP would be disgusted if that were ever true.
As mentioned previously, I think CP would be disgusted if that were ever true.
Very true, and I am guilty of that too as I only employ Swedish au pairs
How can you afford an Au Pair? Surely the car cleaning and dog walking business is not that lucrative?
No, typical, it isn't obvious. That's not proof. Please show me some.
Vol,
1 post. Wow. Because that's obviously representative of all Charlton fans. And obviously that means Powell gets a free pass to be a rubbish manager because he is black.
Why is it beyond you two to believe that Charlton fans like Chris Powell because of his record with us?
Why is it beyond you two to think that his past record means he is able to turn this around?
I understand that point to an extent. But his record as a Charlton player is admirable, a view backed up by the stats.