I didnt see this when it happened, I was out the ground like a shot when the final whistle went as wanted to get back onto the coach, but we were all wondering what the police presence outside the ground was for then we seen the video as we were traveling back to Bristol.
Oh god, the knives and banners are out after a poor run! Of course no other clubs in the championship have had the same What a fickle bunch some of our fans are....wow
4 consecutive years of championship status? That’s not bad for me - I am old enough to remember the dark days of the lower leagues
Which no other manager has done since Alan Dicks.......but some people have bad memories!! And those saying he's spent zillions, it's a poor argument, as most clubs in the championship have either had Premiership payments or have spent as much.
Exactly, it’s the times we live in I’m afraid, we aren’t spending more than others in this league , less if anything , and the money we spend has to a large degree been earned by selling players. What is worrying is recent form and an inability to turn it around, we do have quality players now we have to learn to get the most from them, the worrying thing for me is there does seem to be a bit of a trend by Lee not to be able to produce when our best players are all fit. It’s happened before over the last couple of seasons, he has to address it and quickly.
Don't get me wrong, getting into the Premiership is everyone's dream, even it's to see how we do against the big guns...but also with the danger of getting thrashed every week and knowing it would be a constant relegation battle.. But for me, I'm not unhappy as others are on here, being able to constantly compete in one of the best leagues in the world....And for a fair few seasons, we've been doing just that.......
We all know how loyal SL & MA are to LJ that stands without critique but it does make you wonder, with the recent performances of our team and knowing what forward planners they both are if there ia a list of possible replacements being drawn up or have any secret conversations between the two taken place in case of continuing failure, surely they are not just going to plough on regardless of whether LJ's luck runs out or not. I'm sure LJ will turn it around but I'm just wondering what if.......?
I’m with you onefor , I want to compete In and win every match, but I too have mixed feelings about the PL , on the other hand it will be increasingly difficult to compete in the championship without parachute payments, I’m afraid to stand still will mean going backwards, the longer we don’t have them the more difficult it will be to compete at the level we are at I fear.
Of course you can compete in the Championship without parachute payments - they haven't done us nor Huddersfield any good and Fulham are blowing hot and cold. The current top 6 include, Leeds, Brentford, Preston and Sheff Wednesday, and they haven't had any parachute payments. It's about management, tactics and players - it's that simple.
I think you’ll find money and the ability to bring in quality players has a bearing too. I accept well managed clubs, and I include us in that category, are able to compete, but the inability to pay the wages of top championship players does hinder these type of teams, it’s my belief this will become increasingly difficult, unless of course teams that pay these wages are squeezed to such a point that they implode in large numbers, which I suppose could happen .
Money certainly should give a club an edge all other things being equal, but this is the real world of football. The route to "success" is more complex than that problem lies deeper. Leeds have been transformed by Bielsa who is using mostly an inherited squad from his predessor - they have spent very little money. Brentford had a dose of cash for Maupay and Mepham, but they haven't used much of that dosh to get where they are. I still maintain that the management, coaching and tactics at a club are just as important as splashing the cash - although that can obviously help.
Ashton - we have hardly spent any of it yet, and that is why in all honesty we're struggling. The change to Harris here has papered over the cracks recently, but believe me, the underlying problems in our "management" is still there. We await the new dawn........
If your argument is parachute payments have no bearing , then how is it that the fact you’ve used none of yours has any bearing on how you are doing, that doesn’t make sense. I hear what your saying about your management, you are actually agreeing with me. You need both good management and money , ie parachute payments to succeed , although there are obviously exceptions to this rule.
I’m sure that SL isn’t deliberately or casually ‘flunking’ getting promoted to avoid getting dicked every week in the Prem. we have lost our way of late, but we will find form again soon - let’s just hope the top 6 isn’t out of reach by then........
It does make perfect sense. Parachute payments (or any money made available for that matter) needs to be spent wisely. We came back down from the Prem and went again this season with Warnock. He has been a total disaster with money - Madine, Murphy and Reid (though not Reid's fault) was a waste of nearly £30M - and more when you include wages. With one or two inexpensive replacements in midfield for losing Gunnarson, Camarasa and Arter, the squad was thought to be good enough to go again. The only sizeable purchases this season were Warnock's choice of Flint from Boro and an unknown striker Glatzel from Heidenheim for around £5M. In all honesty he's been like a fish out of water because Warnock's style just doesn't suit his game. I return to my point. Yes, money does certainly matter, but the management of turning that money into an effective playing squad far outweighs the figures spent.
Reid was a weird choice for Warnock. I couldn’t understand where he would fit into your team. Sorry - off piste with this comment! Money certainly helps - as with life I’d rather HAVE it than not have any, but it’s only going to bring success if spent wisely.
