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Chambers clause

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by saints polo, Aug 20, 2014.

  1. Channonfodder

    Channonfodder Rebel without a clue.....

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    My belief (and it is only that) is that Nicola had not done anything wildly irresponsible with the finances, helped by the fact that we kept getting promoted and stayed up. He left once it became clear that the owner wasn't prepared to keep subbing a business she had inherited. It's right to say that many clubs run at a massive deficit. I think the only way to make a rapid assault on the top places was to abandon prudent spending and go large, which wasn't the idea as sold to Markus in the first place.
     
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  2. I Sorry I Ruined The Party

    I Sorry I Ruined The Party Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure why you're finding this so difficult.

    Your argument is no better than anyone else's. What separates "fact" and "speculation" for you is whether it agrees with your conclusion.
     
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  3. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    I don't know where you get the idea that I'm relying on speculation or things I want to believe. I don't indulge in wild speculation and then base views on that speculation when it comes to matters that people find important. Cortese left - that's a truth. Pinocchio said he'd leave if Cortese left. He did eventually, maybe for different reasons, I don't know. Some players left, maybe for their own reasons, I don't know. Have I written anything there which is speculation or invention..? Anything else is speculation or opinion and those facts I have written are the only things I base my opinion on.

    What I don't say is things like, Shaw was always going to go. How does anyone really know 100%..? All I'm questioning is the speculation that is beginning to be taken as accepted, because I don't necessarily accept it. That's my view. You can have yours.

    Personally, I think CF comes close to the truth above, but that's just his extrapolation as well. Until someone writes the definitive history it's all hearsay.
     
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  4. ImpSaint

    ImpSaint Well-Known Member

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    Whilst the facts displayed here are true and cannot be denied the speculation doesn't really fit. If Nicola left when 'it became clear the owner wasn't prepared to keep subbing a business she inherited' then he would have left anyway. If KL had subbed us more we would have hit that preverbial brick wall. If Nicola left because he knew he needed to boost the wages of Shaw, Lallana, Lovren, Morgan, Chambers + others to have any chance of keeping them then we would have hit the FFP wall early enough and that would be without adding any more to the squad.

    TBH the 'clause' speculation seems much more likely to me simply in the way that the Chambers deal happened in a flash. If Arsenal offered £12m+add-ons and there was no clause met then we would have not accepted that first offer and it would have dragged on. Because it happened in a flash says to me that it was pretty much a case of buying at the price tag and there is nothing to haggle about.

    I really don't get this 'if Nicola was still here so would the players'. I think Pochettino may have been more likely to but I don't think any of these players would have stayed when it comes down to statements of showing ambition whilst also wanting more money. What would they have done when they all got offered new improved contracts to stay this summer to keep them sweet and then were told 'Sorry we are at our limit now so can't improve the squad'?

    They would have gone at that point anyway. Many saying we were nowhere near FFP. With or without Cortese for those players who have just left to stay they would have needed another round of improved contracts. Morgan will probably get one soon just to keep him sweet till the summer. Players like Shaw and Chambers may well have been on relative peanuts wages but that would definitely have had to be changed this season. We could easily be facing much more than the difference between what we were paying and the FFP limit just in salary increases. Say we were paying Shaw £25k and to keep him would have to put him up to £60k. That would be nearly £2m just to keep a player. I bet Chambers was on even less.

    We have to face the facts that even with Cortese at the helm, even if he had not promised these players that they could leave this summer, even if there were no clauses letting them go, he would not have been able to keep them here this summer because doing so would have left us unable to improve the squad and possibly have had to reduce the squad numbers to make it under that limit.

    When you see that you can only afford 18 players @ £60k a week to stay under that limit it means that clubs like West Ham must have very small squads or a massive differential between the Carrolls & Nolans and their substitutes or they must be giving up on staying under that limit or already qualify to have more than that limit.
     
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  5. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    The facts are that Katharina was unhappy about where the club was...hints about poor commercial income, possible upcoming money issues, the need to re-engage with the fans and Southampton suggest this...doesn't matter what we thought, it only matters what the owner thought. She wanted the club run on different lines. Nicola had done a terrific job on the footballing side, so she offered him a different role...whether she hoped he'd stay or whether she knew he would leave under those circumstances we will never know. Nicola left because his power was being eroded...he can talk about lack or change of ambition, but in the end the main reason was his inability to relinquish control. Not blaming him...it's his decision and his career.

    In my view, we had reached a point where players would start to leave anyway. There would have had to be massive pay rises to keep them...a few may have stayed for another season if Nicola and Mauricio had stayed. I could see MP leaving anyway for Spurs...don't think he would have stayed even if Nicola did (not as if they had a life time friendship). I do think we would have needed sorting out at some point...it made for a painful summer, but I am confident that we are on the right course now.
     
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  6. Clem Fandango

    Clem Fandango Well-Known Member

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    16 mill for Chambers is brilliant business. I hope Katherina gave Wenger a cuddle after the deal was done, It's nice to have a cuddle after you've been ****ed.
     
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