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Celtic.....the saviours of scottish football

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  1. Bib Fortuna's Maw

    Bib Fortuna's Maw Well-Known Member

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    I'll read any football or politics blog when I'm on the bus/train/throne.
     
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  2. DevAdvocate

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    [TD]Many words commonly used in America today such as Hillbillies and Rednecks have their origins in our Scottish roots. While the following three terms are associated today with the American South and southern culture, their origins are distinctly Scottish and Ulster-Scottish (Scots-Irish), and date to the mass immigration of Scottish Lowland and Ulster Presbyterians to America during the 1700’s.

    HILLBILLY (Hillbillies)

    The origin of this American nickname for mountain folk in the Ozarks and in Appalachia comes from Ulster. Ulster-Scottish (The often incorrectly labeled “Scots-Irish”) settlers in the hill-country of Appalachia brought their traditional music with them to the new world, and many of their songs and ballads dealt with William, Prince of Orange, who defeated the Catholic King James II of the Stuart family at the Battle of the Boyne, Ireland in 1690.
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    [TD]Supporters of King William were known as “Orangemen” and "Billy Boys" and their North American counterparts were soon referred to as "hillbillies". It is interesting to note that a traditional song of the Glasgow Rangers football club today begins with the line, "Hurrah! Hurrah! We are the Billy Boys!" and shares its tune with the famous American Civil War song, "Marching Through Georgia".
    Stories abound of American National Guard units from Southern states being met upon disembarking in Britain during the First and Second World Wars with the tune, much to their displeasure! One of these stories comes from Colonel Ward Schrantz, a noted historian, Carthage Missouri native, and veteran of the Mexican Border Campaign, as well as the First and Second World Wars, documented a story where the US Army's 30[SUP]th[/SUP] Division, made up of National Guard units from Georgia, North and South Carolina and Tennessee arrived in the United Kingdom…”a waiting British band broke into welcoming American music, and the soldiery, even the 118[SUP]th[/SUP] Field Artillery and the 105 Medical Battalion from Georgia, broke into laughter.
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    The excellence of intent and the ignorance of the origins of the American music being equally obvious. The welcoming tune was “Marching Through Georgia.”

    REDNECKS
    The origins of this term Redneck are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or "Covenanters", largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.
    Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term "Red neck", (rednecks) which became slang for a Scottish dissenter*. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar -- is this symbolic of the "rednecks"?
    Since many Ulster-Scottish settlers in America (especially the South) were Presbyterian, the term was applied to them, and then, later, their Southern descendants. One of the earliest examples of its use comes from 1830, when an author noted that "red-neck" was a "name bestowed upon the Presbyterians." It makes you wonder if the originators of the ever-present "redneck" joke are aware of the term’s origins - Rednecks?
    *Another term for Presbyterians in Ireland was a "Blackmouth". Members of the Church of Ireland (Anglicans) used this as a slur, referring to the fact that one could tell a Presbyterian by the black stains around his mouth from eating blackberries while at secret, illegal Presbyterian Church Services in the countryside.

    CRACKER
    Another Ulster-Scot term, a "cracker" was a person who talked and boasted, and "craic" (Crack) is a term still used in Scotland and Ireland to describe "talking", chat or conversation in a social sense ("Let’s go down to the pub and have a craic"; "what's the craic"). The term, first used to describe a southerner of Ulster-Scottish background, later became a nickname for any white southerner, especially those who were uneducated.
    And while not an exclusively Southern term, but rather referring in general to all Americans, the origins of this word are related to the other three.
     
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  3. AP: Password Mong

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    Interesting. I wonder who he supported in the Franco-Prussian war of 1870?
     
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    A timmy sounding name <grr>
     
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  5. AP: Password Mong

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    And the opposition were huns anaw <ok>
     
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  6. The Raging Oxter

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    In memory of William Winton?
     
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  7. Bib Fortuna's Maw

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    Whoever hated the blacks the most, I would presume <ok>
     
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  8. AP: Password Mong

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    Well that'd make sense. He backed the slave-owning south <laugh> in the American Civil War and he wants to reintroduce a song celebrating a far-right racist gangster into the Rangers repertoire.
     
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  9. Super hooper

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    Pud I may be wrong but I believe you have veered off topic, correct me if I am wrong
    But surely one of the tasks you took up as moderator was to keep the plebs on target,
    It's a pretty bad example when you drift away from football completely.
     
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  10. Null

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    Lads

    Supers right... stick to football and not historical wars!
     
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  11. Bib Fortuna's Maw

    Bib Fortuna's Maw Well-Known Member

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    Why?

    It's not as if it's a crimea?
     
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  12. Moses

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    [video=youtube;yfl6Lu3xQW0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0[/video]

    I'm just trying to deflect from being a hillbilly!
     
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    <laugh>

    Koreaful now....
     
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  14. Albatross

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    How the feck does a thread started on the topic of Celtic qualifying for the last 16 of the CL end up at the Franco-Prussian War by way of the American Civil War within A page?????

    Btw iT was 6 Scots who founded the KKK...... Needless to say Presbyterians
     
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  15. Albatross

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    Back towards the topic. Leggo claims that the SPL need sevco and should beg them to come back mwhahahahahahaha.
    As pointed out these clubs have taken in more money from Celtic qualifying for the last 16 than the presence of SEVCO and it may not be finished.


    Zoomed like Leggo etc should be mo worried about the future of their own club.

    the figures don't add up
     
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  16. Girvan Loyal 1690

    Girvan Loyal 1690 Nobody's safe now

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    Sevco sevco sevco sevco sevco!!! <wah>

    PS cracker means a whip cracker surely? ie slave driver??

    Dev you don't half come up with some amount of bullshit
     
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  17. RebelBhoy

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    Interestingly (or not|) the coward who shat it from Anthony Stokes used the word "mucker" to try and weasel his way out of it.

    Mucker of course derives from the Irish words "Mo chara". So essentially the dopey ****wit who hated the Irish was speaking Irish to Stokes.
     
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  18. DevAdvocate

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    What part is "Bullshit" exactly?

    Go on, humour me.
     
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