Carroll

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As much as I hate to say it he'll come good for you. Literally looks 20% of the player he was for us and even when injured he was tearing apart defences, he just needs to gain some fitness and get two out and out wingers on crossing the ball to him and he'll deliver goals easily especially with Downing's crosses.
 
If we'd got him for 10-15 million I'd give him all the time in the world but I can't help but think of his 35 mil price tag and suddenly expect results. Also, I know that we could have got aguero over city instead im sure in January had we stumped up 40 million which makes it more painful. Also agree with other comments, I don't think he wants to play for us and I think he'd thrive at a team like Stoke but don't seeing him fitting into the pass and move game that we're trying to create.

Should we gave accepted anzhi's 41 million offer? I think we know the answer unfortunately.
 
I think he needs time, he's a good player who will improve as he gets older and more experience we should be backing him instead of jumping on the media bandwagon. IMO of course.
 
I don't see what he is going to bring to our team. He's tall but doesn't even seem to be able to head the ball. His movement is terrible, his first touch is even worse.

Why doesn't he attack the ball when we have a corner???? He just stays still and jumps. He should take a leaf out of Soto's book on how to attack the ball.

Sorry, but he's not suited to our type of game and every time he plays our game is slowed down.

I say play him for the next 5 games and see what he can do, if he struggles then we seriously need to consider our options.

He barely looks like a 10mil player, clearly the passion he had for Newcastle is what made him the good player he was for them. You can tell Suarez thinks Carroll's a **** player by his expression everytime Carroll ****s up!!
 
Not trying to wum here but what does Carroll actually bring to your team or what potentially does he bring? Granted the lad is strong, he's good in the air and no doubt brave. But in my opinion that is it. He has no pace, no movement, his touch is woeful, his fitness suspect and finishing not great.

Liverpool have as far as I can recall never really played with a target man like Carroll. I know Crouch played at Anfield for a while but for me he never played as a target man in the traditional sense. To get the best out of Carroll surely you most use your wingers and full backs to start floating crosses in for the lad to head or knock down for Suarez and the midfield to attack. However this is predictable and such tactics would make Liverpool easier to play against in my opinion as well being against the Liverpool style.
 
Ze Liverbird, you're what's wrong with football fans these days - you're fickle, impatient and ignorant.

Give the guy time to settle in... give the whole team a chance to gel. We all accepted that a top 4 finish would be a great thing to aim for at the start of the season, so that means we won't take points from every game. The Spurs game was one of those games. Yes, Liverpool weren't up to scratch, but give the manager and the squad some more time to settle in before asking for heads to roll.

Patience my friend... patience. As a moderator of this forum, I'd expect more common sense than to start this topic :(
 
the issue no whether he was a panic buy or not has to boil down to three things.

1. we knew he was injured

2. we were still inthe europa but suarez was cup tied

3. llorente was supposed to have been bid for earlier in the day.

I am not sure which way to lean on this one but what i can say is that on a purely value for moeny proposition 35mill is way way over the odds and we will lose 15mil of that even if he scores 15 goals a year for us. Every other buy we've made i can see us turning a profit on if we have to sell on for whatever reason....
 
I can see why everyone is optimistic about him, he showed what he was capable of when he scored 2 against City last season but he's just not improving! He's been with us over 6 months now, and if anything he's worse than when we first bought him. I don't know if there's anything going on off-field or if he's still not upto match fitness, but he really needs to step his game up.

We can't have another season waiting for him to do well, the premier league is too fast for that - LFC shouldn't have to wait for any player. He either catches up with the current squad or he leaves.
 
Lil_Jatt said:
Thierry Henry never scored that many in the first few seasons if I remember correctly, yet he is known for his goal-scoring record in the Premier League.

And today Andy looked fitter than previous, had he the right service he could have actually had a goal in my opinion. The whole team was poor, but to single out one player who is continously improving, is unfair.
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Exactly.
Its easy to select one player and have a go at them. However a better approach would look at it that collectively as a team it was very poor.
 
I for one think the only way to get value out of him is to keep with him, get him playing and get 10 years out of him. but he's gota show something more than he is to be given games.
 
Raffles_LFC said:
Ze Liverbird, you're what's wrong with football fans these days - you're fickle, impatient and ignorant.

Give the guy time to settle in... give the whole team a chance to gel. We all accepted that a top 4 finish would be a great thing to aim for at the start of the season, so that means we won't take points from every game. The Spurs game was one of those games. Yes, Liverpool weren't up to scratch, but give the manager and the squad some more time to settle in before asking for heads to roll.

Patience my friend... patience. As a moderator of this forum, I'd expect more common sense than to start this topic :(
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Raffles, you're what's wrong with people these days - you're too quick to jump down someone's throat for expressing an opinion.

6 months is enough time to "settle in" is it not? I feel that there are much better options out there as strikers, Carroll is a good player no doubt but he's not complimenting our type of play, and we can't change the whole team to compliment him.

Topics are for discussion, and as you can see - people are discussing it and there are a variety of views.

Please, think before you start a post with an insult.

Edit: Also, I'm not sure if you've noticed - but the premier league waits for nobody, if you don't improve then you're going to drop down the league. There isn't time to be patient and wait 2 seasons for someone to "come good." It's moving at an even faster pace now than 2 years ago; do you want us to be left behind?
 
To be quite honest Carroll looks nothing more than a good championship striker. He had a good 6 months with Newcastle, I would put down to two things - Excitement of being able to play in the EPL for the first time and the passion he has for Newcastle. I have not seen anything to suggest he is good enough for the EPL.

FFS even when he was in the championship he wasn't anywhere near being top scorer.

I honestly think we'll be lucky to get 15mil back for him.

We have simply bought a dud and he needs to go in January and we need to buy a proper striker.
 
Skylarker said:
To be quite honest Carroll looks nothing more than a good championship striker. He had a good 6 months with Newcastle, I would put down to two things - Excitement of being able to play in the EPL for the first time and the passion he has for Newcastle. I have not seen anything to suggest he is good enough for the EPL.

FFS even when he was in the championship he wasn't anywhere near being top scorer.

I honestly think we'll be lucky to get 15mil back for him.

We have simply bought a dud and he needs to go in January and we need to buy a proper striker.
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Harsh....... but I agree :/
 
I still think he'll turn up a quality player...but I'm not so convinced it'll be for us. His first touch and movement are pretty dire and those are two crucial aspects to the way we're trying to play. Yes, he gives us an alternative way to go forward to mix things up in games, but I've only seen us pull that move off once successfully in a well timed, fluid play - except that goal was disallowed. Alot of people bashed Heskey when he played for us, but he was in the right place at the right time more often than not to create the space and knock the ball down for Owen. Carroll, more often than not, is in the wrong place at the right time or miscontrols it.

We're not set up to play towards Carroll's strengths. Imo, Crouch would be far superior in the role.

He *has* shown us a few flashes since he's been here, but his fitness really does seem terrible. Pay me 60k a week for 6 months and I'll guarantee I'll be able to run for 90minutes and be injury free, I'd even give up booze for it. What's his excuse?

I hope he comes good, I really do as he could be an absolute beast! But he has to show more promise soon...
 
This great Carroll debate reminds me of the same debate when we bought Toshack. He came to us as the great rampaging CF who would dominate in the air, hold play up and score lots of goals - he didn't! In his first season he was at least a yard to slow, his first touch was poor and his passing useless. Any of that sound familiar?

He then went on to form a formidible partnership with Keegan. The same could happen between Carroll and Suarez but it needs time and patience.
 
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