Evidence? This isnt a law court. Its my opinion. My opinion (and the opinion of most people at the time in 2010) was that had he stayed at Newcastle where the style of play so obviously suited him, he would have banged in at the very least 20 goals. And in my opinion 20+ goals would suggest a striker is proven.
20+ goals in one season certainly would. 17 in 61 not so much. 6 in 42 definitely not. Thus, not proven. Of course if you want to suggest that being hypothetically proven is more accurate than being statistically unproven, you do that. I predict that Rickie will score 25 this season. I'm so happy we have a proven Premier League striker in him
I agree, but if you read my original post I said that he is proven when using the direct style of play. When playing the passing game he is not proven.
Its actually pretty simple. When playing a direct playing style, like when he was at Newcastle, he is a proven goalscorer (11 goals in 19 apps, if you had seen him during that season you would know, like everyone else did, that he would have easily reached 20-25 by the end of the season had he stayed) He scored **** all at Liverpool because they play a passing game. Hence, he is a proven hoofball goal scorer but not a proven passing game scorer. Which is why he would do well at West Ham. Not too difficult?
Well it is pretty difficult when you're just projecting what he would have achieved had he stayed. How could you possibly know?
Hypothetically Carroll is proven as one of the best strikers in the world. Statistically he's proven as an overrated lanky streak of piss. Hypothetical opinions are more reliable than statistical ones. As a summary.
So basically, I could say had Fabregas had stayed at Arsenal, they would have won the league. This is great, this hypothetical projection malarkey.
Only if you then say, following that hypothesis, Arsenal are proven as the best team in the league because of this.
I don't know why Frank is getting so much stick. Yes, granted I would never compare Carroll to Rickie, but when a certain style of football is being played, I would say that Carroll is proven in the PL. Clearly though, that style wasn't played at Liverpool, and subsequently he was a complete failure there. On a slight side note, I would actually back Carroll to score more for west ham than Rickie for us next season. But still give me Rickie every time, because I don't want to see that direct style of play each week.
