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Can January and Nigel save our season?

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  1. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    It makes you wonder where all of Steve Lansdown millions have been spent..:emoticon-0138-think
     
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  2. Supcon72

    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

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    Finally, the penny drops... The player sales far exceed what we have spent, so I have been saying for ages, where did that money go? We all know it was not reinvested at the same level in the squad over the last 2-3 years. Perhaps SL really is looking to sell, so he scaled back his investment?
     
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    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    Penny hasn't dropped, the club was mis managed by MA and LJ and their back up teams, up until their era ended, one was sacked and the other ran away, they were in charge, it was their decisions, they were paid to do a job and failed, their planning, their signings, their decisions on what was paid out and who was sold, they spent the money, SL trusted them and he was the one who signed the cheques to keep the club and its huge debt afloat.
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking the same ... however second thoughts were it cant get worse than last 6 months
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    LJ was head coach NP is manager and between the lines he has delivered the occassional comments about finances. MA was very good at his job, in fact OTT good at his job Finance..... both separately were good together they were a disaster. MA went over the top, well over the top reaping the harvest of LJ's endeavours, most if not all on here saw the proverbial straw when Brownhill was moved on team sunk. ............
     
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    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    Wages and Covid subsidies?
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    supcon says
    Finally, the penny drops... The player sales far exceed what we have spent, so I have been saying for ages, where did that money go? We all know it was not reinvested at the same level in the squad over the last 2-3 years. Perhaps SL really is looking to sell, so he scaled back his investment?
    what didnt help, albeit only about £2m was getting rid DH, mind you that would have CAUSED double wages for at least X months till 31/5/21, for Employing NP pre 3 year CONTRACT! Also players took a pay drop ... temporarily!?
     
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  8. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    This is what knackered us high weekly wage bill.
    Bristol City 2021 - Player Wages
    Bristol City have a total of 65 players in their home squad. The highest earning player in the squad is Nahki Wells earning £27,000 per week.
    Bristol City play in the Sky Bet Championship, the second division of mens professional football in England.
    The teams total wage bill is:

    • £11,910,600 per year
    • £229,050 per week
    https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-championship/bristol-city/
     
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    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

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    Oh good, we've reopened the wage debate....
     
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    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

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    This reflects football pre-covid, so very different to now. If covid hadn't happened, player fees and wages would have continued upwards and we would be paying even more today. I think we all know, and I've said many times if nothing else comes out of COVID, then a reset of the crazy wages in football being normalised would be a benefit. It will take us, and most other Championship clubs 2-3 years to recover from the last 20 months.
     
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    invermeremike Well-Known Member

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    Shocking money for shocking performances. I can't see how any club at our level can even exist with that kind of business plan and it just proves the misdirected ideas of previous regimes had no idea what they were doing. If Nigel can channel what we have in to what we have always wanted then he truly will be the new prince of BS3 but I can't see how it can be done given our sad history of mediocrity and looking in all the wrong places for all the wrong answers. I think the footballing authorities must shoulder most of the blame for allowing certain clubs to pick the path that most others will never be able to emulate. The cost of keeping up with Jones's will kill many a fine outfit and those that keep trying will eventually find the sinkhole of despair before fading towards non-league obscurity - but only if they are lucky.

    This whole sad affair has been created by the greed for money and you only have to look at the stewardship of people like Sepp Blatter and Platini to see the clear signs of corruption and the invasion of the blood suckers right at the very top of the football dung heap. Whatever happened to the directive from the F.A. that they would closely look at overseas investment in our section of the sport supposedly to ensure no dirty money filters through the cracks and tarnishes the sport. I don't pretend to be a person who has knowledge of what goes on but my cynical mind tells me that large dirty bundles of cash are blighting the game at the inevitable expense of those who try to keep up or catch up with the flow. It seems to me that the people who are supposed to monitor or reject suspect owners have been looking in the wrong place, probably while they are checking their mail for large packages from overseas, and hopefully will one day get caught with their hands in the till.

    My biggest New Year gripe goes out to Steve Lansdown because I can't even begin to comprehend how such a highly rated businessman travelled down such a poorly maintained road. The only upside for me is that he continues to finance such a dysfunctional organization. Carry on and mind the gap chaps.
     
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  12. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    Like it or lump it it's the root of all evil for our club as the old saying goes, Covid or no Covid it existed, the conditions were set and agreed to, the club is still bearing the cost and suffering from it.
     
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  13. Supcon72

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    I agree, as I said, if it weren't for COVID we'd probably be paying many of these who have had contract renewals, or signed players in the last 12 months even more. The whole push for the Premiership is not cheap or easy, as we have found out, although we have fared better than many, at least we are still in the Championship. We have may have to accept another 2-3 years of just staying where we are to move forward then. All this now does is virtually guarantee the relegated clubs will go straight back up, or at worst the following season.
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    Accounts disagree with this figure the wage bill for all staff was over £30m for the year it included 90 +players first team squad is circa 30 said it before i know for definite what 1 particular player is earning and no where near, maybe not near ! the published.
    Sources - Press releases, news & articles, online encyclopedias & databases, industry experts & insiders. We find the information so you don't have to! so a lot of guess work.

    AS a guide always good to post articles like this and encourage comment! and good they post the disclaimer at the end .....

    my question would be ... why would we when no crowds so no income take on a 34 year old on £780k a year to only pay a better player 4 years younger with a proven track record for the team £468k pa
     
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  15. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    Try again - different source but still sky high expenditure on wages even with a disclaimer..
    2021-2022 Bristol City FC Player Salaries


    • Bristol City FC (Championship) Total Gross Salaries for the 2021-2022 Season is £9,100,000, or £175,000 per week. The Highest Paid Player at Bristol City FC is Tomas Kalas (Centre-Back) with an Annual Gross Salary of £1,300,000, or £25,000 per week. Tomas Kalas, who is 28 years old, has 2 years and £2,600,000 gross remaining with Bristol. All figures are not inclusive of bonuses or incentives. Actual salary figures may vary. Salary coverage may be limited or incomplete.
      £175,000
      weekly payroll
      £7,292
      avg/player
      £9,100,000
      annual payroll
      £379,167
      https://www.capology.com/club/bristol/salaries/
     
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  16. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    Obscene as that wage is, with Wells we thought we were getting the top scorer in the league at the time.
    Clearly we’ve de-skilled him - as we do most prolific strikers that come to BS3.
    QPR can have him back (then watch him start scoring again!!)
     
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  17. Supcon72

    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

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    Wells is an odd one, a great record in 19/20 at QPR, we sign him and he did OK to the end of that season, but last season and this season he's been awful. I don't what's gone on behind the scenes, but under DH, and in particular NP he hasn't been used and his form has dropped off a cliff. He's only been given a few minutes here and there. I still feel NP could use him more, but he doesn't seem to want to?
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    :emoticon-0140-rofl: Is this long speak for "dont really have a clue?!" :emoticon-0140-rofl:

    From TRYGESSALARY.co / club / Bristol / ?sal

    Bristol City FC (Championship) Total Gross Salaries for the 2021-2022 Season is £19,100,000, or £367,307.69p per week. The Highest Paid Player at Bristol City FC is thought to be Kasey Palmerwith an Annual Gross Salary of £1,300,000, or £30,000 per week. Followed by Nahki Wells £28,000 per week Thomas Kalas 28,000, on £25,000 is Danny Simpson, Andy King, Rob Atkinson With Andreas Weimann on £ 23,500 the rest of the 34 players in the main playing squad receiving £15,000 or less ... Nigel Pearson basic £50k a week plus incentives, expenses, and 10k a week in his pension pot. Curtis Fleming receives £2m per anum.
    Figures with assistance from third parties, media rumours, football posting boards, averaged guesses of general synopsis from other forcasting companies. Other sites available and no responsibilty accepted for any errors. :emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    We are in a terrible financial state, the well is almost dry, some actions for recovery have been taken but the club has been severely wounded, it is still bleeding, we are still having to honour commitments made, some decisions will have to be made to continue reducing costs to aid our cause, we won't like it but it will have to be endured if we are to progress, I can't see anything comedic about it but as has been said many other clubs are in a simular state, for good or bad thankgod we've got Stephen Lansdown.

    Bristol City announces 'extremely serious' losses of £38.4million for 2020/21
    Bristol City Holding Limited has confirmed it made a pre-tax loss of more than £38million in 2020/21
    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport...stol-city-announces-extremely-serious-6411206
     
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    I have over a number of cups of tea, floated back over bits of the "published accounts" .. on paper it does look dire. I remember taking a set of accounts to "my then new accountant" off Whiteladies road many years ago ! as it looked like I was doing myself out of actually making a profit.... There approach was just put all reciepts in a box bring it in pay us £100 and we do it all ... I had for 3 years done my own accounts and the " box I gave him was perfectly orchestrated" he was shocked! said next year just bring it all in a box no need to put in order or type or ..... .I used a big A4 size book to log everything etc as well!
    Upon sending me the report for the taxman... they had submitted it and got it signed off I had a cheque in the post for about £30 ish something from HMRC. I called in to say thankyou, and asked how they had done it he showed me what is actually a physical loss and paper loss and a few other things ....!
    BCFC has lost a wad of dough... but ......................!
     
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