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Can football clubs worldwide continue to afford to pay players wages in full.

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  1. tigerscanada

    tigerscanada Well-Known Member

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    Give some meaningful input.
     
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  2. Mr Hatem

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    I hope they wore protection.
     
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  3. dennisboothstash

    dennisboothstash Well-Known Member

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    Furlough all employees, keep non playing staff on full pay, pay the players and other highly paid staff their salary but only up to a cap.
    If that means the club earn any profit as a result then give that to a local charity.
    Sorted.
     
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  4. originallambrettaman

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    Manchester City confirm they have no plans to furlough any staff.
     
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  5. SydneyTiger14

    SydneyTiger14 Well-Known Member

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    Government shouldn't be subsidising football clubs who earn millions. If they make a loss because of this so bet it, plenty of businesses will.
     
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  6. dennisboothstash

    dennisboothstash Well-Known Member

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    Huh?
    What’s the difference in them funding a football club and funding other massive private businesses?
     
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  7. SydneyTiger14

    SydneyTiger14 Well-Known Member

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    They shouldn't be funding either.
     
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  8. dennisboothstash

    dennisboothstash Well-Known Member

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    But they are
    That is the Govt policy
    So as they are there isn’t any difference between football clubs and other big companies.
     
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  9. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Hull City issue statement on staff furlough as Grant McCann takes voluntary pay cut
    Hull City have joined the likes of Sheffield Wednesday, Liverpool and Tottenham Hotspur
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    Hull City have placed the majority of their non-playing staff on furlough leave following the coronavirus pandemic.

    The Tigers have followed a number of businesses and football clubs across the country to apply for the government payment scheme following the spread of COVID-19.

    As of today, a number of members of non-playing staff have become furloughed workers, with the club operating with skeleton staff for the foreseeable future.

    The coronavirus job retention scheme means that 80 per cent of the salaries of furloughed staff, up to £2,500 per month per individual, will be paid by the government. The club will make up anything above £2,500 to ensure all furloughed staff will receive 80% of their salary.

    Hull City have also agreed to pay workers who cannot be furloughed 80 per cent of their wages, with their hours being reduced to four days a week.

    Grant McCann and his first-team coaching staff have all taken a voluntary pay cut of 20 per cent to help the club’s financial situation.


    City’s players were asked to take a 20 per cent pay cut by Ehab Allam last week, with the players keen to hold further discussions on that matter. City's statement does not make reference to the wages of the players.

    Hull City statement
    Owing to the impact of the current COVID-19 pandemic, Hull City, like many other businesses and professional sports clubs, have applied to join the coronavirus job retention scheme which has been set up by the government to support companies and protect jobs.

    As of today, the majority of our non-playing staff have become furloughed workers, which means that they will still be employed by the Club but no work can be done while they are confined to home by the social distancing regulations.

    The Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme will mean that 80% of the salaries of furloughed staff, up to £2,500 per month per individual, will be paid by the government. The Club will make up anything above £2,500 to ensure all furloughed staff will receive 80% of their salary.

    Some staff who cannot be furloughed have agreed to reduce working hours to four days a week and will receive 80% pay from the Club.

    All first-team coaching staff have also proactively taken a voluntary pay cut of 20% to help the Club deal with the current economic challenges.

    These difficult decisions have been taken in order to best protect the Club financially, as we continue in a period of unprecedented uncertainty, and will be reviewed towards the end of May when further decisions will be made based upon the latest information available from the government and the football authorities.

    Until the situation with the 2019/20 season becomes clearer, the Club will operate with a skeleton staff across the KCOM Stadium, training ground and academy sites. We hope that these measures will help us to protect the jobs of our loyal and dedicated staff.

    We would like to thank all staff for their understanding, patience and show of solidarity in difficult circumstances. In particular, to all who have voluntarily accepted furlough and short working measures, and in doing so have acted in the best interests of the Club.

    The Club will be assessing the situation as things develop and will continue to act with the well-being of staff at heart.
     
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  10. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Apparently josh Timon is leading the negotiations for stoke players....
     
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    Liverpool u-turn on the staff furlough announcement...

    Liverpool chief executive officer Peter Moore has issued the following letter to supporters.


    Dear Liverpool supporters,

    First and foremost on behalf of our ownership, Fenway Sports Group, we would like to emphasise the thoughts and concerns of everyone are with those suffering from the dreadful COVID-19 pandemic and the families of those affected.

    We would also recognise and pay tribute to the heroism of the incredible health service and key workers locally, nationally and internationally. All other worries should be placed in that context first.

    Allowing for perspective in these unprecedented and harrowing times, it is important to address an issue we, as an organisation, have been involved in since the weekend.

    We have consulted with a range of key stakeholders as part of a process aimed at achieving the best possible outcome for all concerned. A range of possible scenarios were considered, including but not restricted to: applying to the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme, which pays 80 per cent of salary and guaranteeing the 20 per cent payment; applying to the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme with a guarantee to reimburse monies received at a later date; and, thirdly, finding an alternative means to cover our furlough costs.

    It is as a direct result of this extensive consultation and our own internal deliberations at various levels throughout the club that we have opted to find alternative means despite our eligibility to apply for the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme.

    We believe we came to the wrong conclusion last week to announce that we intended to apply to the Coronavirus Retention Scheme and furlough staff due to the suspension of the Premier League football calendar, and are truly sorry for that.

    Our intentions were, and still are, to ensure the entire workforce is given as much protection as possible from redundancy and/or loss of earnings during this unprecedented period.

    We are therefore committed to finding alternative ways to operate while there are no football matches being played that ensures we are not applying for the government relief scheme.

    We would like to acknowledge the great army of staff and casual workers who work tirelessly to ensure Liverpool is a club that operates to the highest of standards.

    But in the spirit of transparency we must also be clear, despite the fact we were in a healthy position prior to this crisis, our revenues have been shut off yet our outgoings remain. And like almost every sector of society, there is great uncertainty and concern over our present and future.

    Like any responsible employer concerned for its workers in the current situation, the club continues to prepare for a range of different scenarios, around when football can return to operating as it did before the pandemic. These scenarios range from best case to worst and everything in between.

    It is an unavoidable truth that several of these scenarios involve a massive downturn in revenue, with correspondingly unprecedented operating losses. Having these vital financial resources so profoundly impacted would obviously negatively affect our ability to operate as we previously have.

    We are engaged in the process of exploring all avenues within our scope to limit the inevitable damage. We thank the many amazing people in our club, at all levels, who are committed to helping us do just that, despite the complexity and unpredictability in the world and our industry.

    We would also like to take the opportunity to thank those who have engaged with us in a productive fashion, none more so than our supporters, their representatives, particularly Spirit of Shankly, the Mayor of Liverpool, Joe Anderson, Metro Mayor, Steve Rotheram, local MPs Dan Carden and many other individuals, with whom we have had much valued dialogue.

    Stay safe.
    Peter Moore
    Chief executive officer
     
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    Well I think they’re cheap ****ers if they aren’t paying non playing staff, who earn less than £2500 a month, full pops.
    Plenty of companies furloughing staff but paying 100% salary, particularly for less well paid staff. Means the company is only effectively paying 20% of salary, which is **** all for cleaners, admin etc
     
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  14. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    For while some clubs, such as Manchester United and Manchester City, can afford to donate 30 per cent salary cuts to good causes, others will need them just to make it through the summer, if there is no football. The presumption here is that all clubs are financially isolated against this crisis.

    They are not. Some have a finite date on which, unless football resumes, the money runs out. Burnley's is in August. And Burnley is nobody's idea of a spendthrift, poorly-governed club. Yes, it could be argued that Michael Garlick, Burnley's majority owner, has wealth of £50m through his project workforce management company Michael Bailey Associates. So let him cover it. The truth? He probably is already. He is covering issues in his other companies, and issues at Burnley. And he could cover Burnley until his money ran out.

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    Manchester City have vowed not to furlough non-playing staff but others can't afford not to
    Yet who would do that? Nobody sinks personal money into a failing business month after month until they end up driving a minicab or moving back in with their parents. They declare bankruptcy. Clubs will declare bankruptcy. Burnley's monthly wage bill in 2019 was £6.83m. Garlick could burn through his personal fortune in roughly six months of inactivity.
     
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    Any club that can’t afford or chooses not to pay its non playing staff, particularly the low paid ones, full salary deserves to die and good riddance.
     
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    Putting the personal in PPE
     
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  17. SydneyTiger14

    SydneyTiger14 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure why you're arguing. I'm offering my opinion on who the government should be helping - and it isn't big business who pay millions in dividends. If you think that's a good idea, you're entitled to your opinion.
     
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    Whether they pay millions in dividends or not, the obscene amount of money in professional football is far more than enough for every single club to be financially very secure.

    The fact that they aren’t is purely their own fault and they including the governing bodies should take a long hard look at their own shortcomings, they should be left to deal with it themselves, there is no excuse.

    If any public money ends up propping up a football club that has lived beyond its means, paying the wages of the more modest staff whilst the players are taking home millions, it will be a ****ing outrage and I hope they get their just desserts.

    This is an industry that has been allowed to be far too reckless for far too long and its beyond time it got brought back to reality and a big hard kick in the bollocks.
     
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  19. SydneyTiger14

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    Agreed. I actually thought that in the coming years the bubble of TV rights would burst and that would be the undoing of the professional game, but COVID-19 might have accelerated that somewhat.
     
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    His agent is asking for a raise due to the current circumstances not of his own making and emotional distress.
     
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