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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by concrete tony, Sep 14, 2013.

  1. Pretty Please

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    So those two constitute "many top sportsmen and women" do they? That's what I read. That's what you wrote. You can't back it up so, as usual, you become abusive.
     
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  2. Graham Carr's Binoculars

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    I think the point he was making was that back then every other player was probably smoking forty a day too so Cruyff and Best were in the same boat as all the other professionals and in no way disadvantaged.

    No human being could smoke ten a day and be a sportsman at the top of their profession in this day and age as their rivals/fellow professionals would be streets ahead of them in terms of conditioning and fitness etc.
     
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  3. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    Okay then
    Sir Ian Botham and Freddie Flintoff are two more who both drank and smoked. Lee Westwood and Miguel Ángel Jiménez do it on the course. Paul McGrath and Bryan Robson, Tony Adams all massive drinkers but all top class footballers?

    Is that enough? Or try reading these for some more.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-have-on-an-athletes-performance-8050466.html

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/westindies/content/story/318029.html
     
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  4. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    Abusive? FFS? Where have I been abusive?
     
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  5. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    Leave the debate as it is and you lose the debate. If Lionel Messi smoked 40 a day he wouldn't be able to hack it.
     
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  6. Disco down under

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    Spot on.
     
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  7. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    Cruyff and Best would piss all over todays average **** stain footballers mate, even if they smoked 10 ***s while they were playing.
     
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  8. Cest Advocaat

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  10. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    So you admit he smoke then?
     
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  11. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    "About the photographs being published for my holiday in Ibiza have conducted with people close to me, wanted to clarify that I show an image with a lollipop, which is similar to a cigarette. I make it clear who never smoked and I will not do it, since we all know that smoking does not match the sport." - Lionel Messi.

    **** knows what it actually is cig or 'a lollipop' but it does look like he's got the thing between his back teeth.
     
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  12. Disco down under

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    I don't remember saying Lionel Messi smokes, no I don't admit that.
     
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  13. Disco down under

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    That's not a tab.

    Either that or he's eating a tab.
     
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  14. Cest Advocaat

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    Aye whatever champ. Some people just hate being wrong but I guess for you it happens all the time.
     
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  15. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    Hahahahahahahahahaha? Ok sweetheart I was wrong? Lionel Messi definitely smokes 40 cigarettes a day? Well done proving it?
     
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  16. Lostinvegas

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    Agree totally with AmsterdamRodger on this. I have also represented my country several times and winners now a days don't smoke, don't drink and are extremely careful what they put into their bodies, talent can take you a long way but there are always people with talent willing to go that extra mile to beat you.

    Think about how good Yohan Cruyff would have been if he had not smoked.

    PDC has my total support, its time to stop the rot and change the culture.
     
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  17. Smiffy

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    This is all that matters.

    We can never know whether any individual player would be better, or only remain at the same standard, if they gave up smoking and drinking during their sporting careers. I hope that we can all agree that at least some would be better for giving up drinking and smoking, while none would be worse (except during the withdrawal stage from any addiction or if they were called Bill Werbenuik).

    Paolo is trying to improve the fitness levels and behaviours of the highly paid professionals at the club that we all support, who for years have been happy to take their pay whilst underperforming on the pitch. I can't believe that any supporter disagrees with his stance.
     
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  18. Pretty Please

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    "Whats wrong, cant you read too well?" - That is what you wrote, and that is abusive.

    And the reason you get abusive? Because you state something as fact when it is not. It is your opinion.

    A handful of examples going back over 50 years was not proof.
     
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  19. Brian Storm

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    God sake man, Give some examples of modern day Sports men who drink and smoke. Sport has changed and it's very different

    Sir Ian Botham and Freddie Flintoff as well as Paul McGrath and Bryan Robson, Tony Adams are all washed sportsman from a very different world of sport.

    And Golfers are Athletes? **** off mate. If colin Montgomerie is an athlete then I'm a 19 stone chippendale.

    Loosing this one Cest. Your talking crap. Read the signature mutha ****a.
     
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