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Bye Bye Redders

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  1. LeedsLover

    LeedsLover Well-Known Member

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    I saw that photo on net, she reminded me of Goldie Hawn in the film "Death becomes her" I think it was, where she kept having her lips enlarged.
     
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  2. RCDM

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    He might not be good enough to manage us, but some of the comments making out he's terrible are laughable.

    Why is it when someone leaves or is leaving, they're sh*t anyway?

    Give the bloke a break, he's come in and done a reasonable job, working with some complete fkin knobs, and some awful players which he didn't choose. Its partly because of him we've got Mowatt, Cook, Taylor and Byram in the first team.

    Whats wrong with "good luck Neil, thanks for doing your best while working for a complete nut job, at a very difficult time"?
     
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  3. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Dont think anyway said he was ****. Most on here seem to hold similar view and did an ok job but not a long term prospect as first team coach. Most predicted how it would end. Maybe, for the sake of his own career, hes doing the right thing moving on
     
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  4. RCDM

    RCDM Well-Known Member

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    There's a tone in some of the comments, which i think are harsh Eire.

    I don't think he's particularly got idea's above his station or thinks he's better than what he is. I just think he was given a job to do with the first team (3 times) and did "ok", not great, but under the circumstances not bad at all and rightly thinks he deserves to be treated better than he has been. People seem to be forgetting now we've got a new manager (,2 coachloads of backroom staff) and a few players that might turn out ok, just how Cellino treats people and all the players he brought in last summer, not to mention Dave fkin Hockaday. Whatever you think of Brian McDermott, Neil redfrean e.t.c, there's no need to treat them like that nut job has/is.

    And i dare say Redfearn did better than the "seasoned manager" Warnock and had us playing far better football at times than that fossil.

    I hope to god we have a great season, but it only takes one knee-jerk from Cellino to have it all crumbling around us again.
     
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  5. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Cellinos dealings with employees stinks. Oddly enough, I deal with a few very successful business people here and they're similar. Successful at making money, running parts of their business but hopeless with staff and even though they employ hr people and managers, they dont let them do their jobs. We just have to pray Cellino stays out of the limelight whether by choice or a fl suspension again
     
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  6. Whitejock

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    I don't think he was a 'nut-job', but I do think he was an awful manager (or head coach if you want to be pedantic about it). The stats clearly show that his team only showed organisation & consistency when Thompson was there. It's absolutely crystal clear. We were heading for relegation bigstyle, staved it off with a run, then returned to normal service after Thompson left, narrowly missing relegation. Hardly God's gift, is he? Whatever was going on behind the scenes, he made truly awful decisions re. tactics and team selection. He then regularly exacerbated his original mistakes by not changing tactics whn required during the game, and made hilariously awful substitution decisions. Without Thompson & Bamba, we were dead certs to go down & the main reason was Redders. A clown. And if you read back my comments over the whole season, you'll see that I have been consistent in my comments. I haven't relied on hindsight.

    Tell me honestly - did you watch many games live last season, and if so, did you actually enjoy watching any of them. Were you right behind Redders decisions? Morison? Need I say more?
     
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  7. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    In fairness I was saying he was ****e all the way through.....cellinos antics made him look better than he actually is.
     
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  8. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    Ristac, you and I were siren voices drowned out by the happy clappies!
    **** me if they arnt doing it again already for this season. Sol Bamba and Leicesters third or fourth choice striker does not turn us into a fancied team in this league.
     
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  9. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    But we also signed Scotlands top striker
     
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  10. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    Joe Jordan would still be better.
    The Scottish national side would be league one standard at best.
     
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  11. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    I sense youre getting excited though
     
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  12. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    Did I really agree with you & Ristac???

    Can I change my mind? :D
     
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    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    Yes you can.
    Ristac and I feel violated, feel cheap and dirty.
     
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  14. BillysStatue

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    My point is this .... Redders is NOT a manager, at best an assistant manager ... his talent is at youth level, and I'm fcuked off that after saying he would be back at our Academy from July he's decided to go ... we could have done with him for at least another two years at the Academy, but he DID think he was above his station and so he's showing Leeds an up yours for not making him the head honcho ... Redders is an unintelligent fool who can't cope at senior level, and as Jocko says just look at his persistence with Morison ... he clearly can't work with foreign players, and is too old school for today's environment ... yes, he helped talent come through, but remember the boys needed to be talented in the first place, he didn't create their talent ... nope, ego got in the way and he loved the taste of running the dressing room on match days, except ultimately he looked clueless when the pressure was on


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  15. davy

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    Eire, he's got the horn alright. Think it was the Joe jordan reference?
     
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  16. LeedsLover

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    With respects RCDM,

    We all have our own different opinions and views on players, coaches and the owner. A few, including media are saying Redders was unfairly treated, but let's look at Redders involvement in certain situations during his term as coach.

    1, Morison and Warnock were mentioned as being the instigators of causing the split in the dressing room between the British players and the Cellino signings, media also mentioned it. This rift seemed to be continual but the main issue is, Redders did nothing to fix it, it was his duty and responsibility to keep the dressing room/squad together and united, but he didn't.

    2, Some players complained about the way they were being treated, this happened after Thommo come in, Redders would've been aware of this as Thommo was his best pal and were taking training together.

    3, Many saw, or worked out later that Redders didn't like the Cellino signings, the continual Morison selection just enhanced and clarified his dislike.

    4, Redders and Thommo were best pals, Redders would've been aware of why Thommo was suspended because they would've spoken straight after the suspension. Redders continually said he didn't know why Thommo was suspended.

    5, While Redders was continually praising his academy boys, he was actually advertising himself and wanted the credit for it. He mainly subbed Cellino signings, even though some of his academy boys were having bad games. While he was praising his boys and favourites, he hardly praised any of Cellino's signings.

    6, In the beginning, Redders was always praising Cellino, then he slowly turned against him, including trying to turn the fans against Cellino, ie, he was using the fans to achieve his own agenda, no coach should ever do that, irrespective.

    7, Apparently Redders and his female side kick Lucy Ward were both sacked for leaking inside info to media. What agenda did these two love birds have considering Redders kept saying he was Leeds United through and through.

    8, it's been said by some fans, on forums and media articles that Redfearn instigated the sackings of Bromley and Naylor from academy; was he jealous of their good work, did he feel threatened by the credit they got?

    RCDM, you're entitled to your opinions on Redders and any other player or staff and I won't disrespect that but, what were your comments after Hockaday got sacked after saying this "not to mention Dave fkin Hockaday"

    Redders imo was not the person he made himself out to be, I stopped trusting him when he started to slowly oust many of the Cellino signings in favour of his boys and favourites.
     
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  17. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Redfearn was not a good choice, he did his best and he tried. He didn't have the ability to do better but that wasn't his fault, it was Cellino for appointing him.

    I don't agree with how Redfearn seems to be being treated but admittedly I don't know the whole story. I do know Redfearn was not permitted to have an understudy for too long whereas Rosler seems to have a whole team.

    Cellino came in, sacked virtually every back room member of staff, called them all a drain on resources and a year later what is he doing, employing more back room people than ever before.

    Cellino has made a lot of mistakes that seem to be continually glossed over, he seems to be doing things right at the moment but we know how that can all change in a week once he throws out another dummy.
     
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  18. Whitejock

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    'Every back room member of staff' - apart from Bromley & Naylor, who else? I thought it was all admin staff that were made redundant. I also understand that those 2 contracts were not renewed at the behest of Redders. Wonder whose girlfriend would have benefited from that?
     
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  19. LeedsLover

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    I understand your point Ristac, I personally think Cellino is learning and has learned a lot over last season. Pearson coming in is signs of that.
     
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    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    Why would you assume he have learned in one season here, when he has learnt **** all in all his time at Caligari?
     
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