Bulut - not impressed

[ninian opinion]

IMO this is totally wrong and sends the wrong message. What on earth does this public statement do to Tanner’s confidence?

What did Ollie do that was deserving of this rollicking? If Meite had put away that sitter from his brilliant cross would he have taken him off? He mentions discipline. His booking was pathetic - play had stopped and he flicked the ball on its way to touch - in common with a terrible referee all game.

If anyone should be criticised then how about McGuinness for that sloppy ball leading to their first or Grant for being offside or Siopsis for their 2nd or Panzo for their winner or Ramsey for his countless poor touches and passes etc etc?

My opinion of Bulut in light of this and his terrible tactical howlers today has dropped significantly.

This happened coincidentally with Jones publicly shaming Adam Matthews at Ipswich years ago and was equally wrong.

He tinkers far too much. Is it too early to suggest he’s not cut out for the championship? We’ve been in every game but only got 4 points out of 15 conceding 10 goals.

Lose to them next game up - will the fans turn against him? It’s almost like he’s got too many players and just hasn’t a clue what is the best X1 and tactics. We should have won today and at Leeds and not lost to Leicester. Our one win was lucky.

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[Hilts24]

Plot completely lost.

Buluts had a nightmare today.

Purse in charge by October. ?

 

[clingo]

I honestly don't know whether it's too early for me to decide or whether I'm just anxious about having yet another manager.

There's no question that to the outside observer, his post match comments seemed Ill judged and a bit scapegoaty. That said, the psychology used by managers has always been a mystery to me. I don't know what to make of it.

Today after setting up the team well and getting some reward for it, he made seemingly calamitous changes.

At this stage I'm inclined to give him a bit of time to adjust to the culture of the Championship and player/manager relationships. I'd also like to think that now all the transfer business is done and he's had chances to see his options, he'll have learned about the squad, it's limitations and, from his own mistakes.

The other thing that has occurred to me is whether his no nonsense approach is a direct result of a possible undisciplined approach by his predecessors. I don't know, it's just a thought.

I suppose last season we were losing and not scoring goals. At least we're getting some goals now.

In general, I'd like us to play to our strengths (which isn't defending) and to not mess when we're on the front foot.

In a nutshell, early days and benefit of the doubt for me

Bloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooobirds

 

[jck200]

I was not happy with Buluts performance before I saw this, taking Ralls and Tanner off changed the game. Bulut should have apologised for losing us the game by his substitions.

 

[jck200]

However Bulut was happy with Meities performance? he should not even have started.

 

[ninian opinion]

However Bulut was happy with Meities performance? he should not even have started.

Problem is Meite can hold up the ball but can’t score whereas it’s vice versa with Ugbo.
Ugbo had one chance - on target but saved.
Meite had one chance - off target.

 

[Hilts24]

Im not convinced by Meite but there were positives from his performance.

Ugbo was useless and should never have come on. A crazy substitution.

 

[remote]

Bulut not impressed.
Neither am I. Not in Bulut's substitutions anyway. I posted as much during the game.
Poor game management.

 

[ninian opinion]

Bulut not impressed.
Neither am I. Not in Bulut's substitutions anyway. I posted as much during the game.
Poor game management.

I’m not impressed by Bulut.
One of the reasons he was brought in was it was believed he could win games.
Not only can’t he do that regularly he publicly isolates one player to blame.

 

[Oldsparkey]

Posted it on the matchday thread - will repeat it on here.

Got to say it - Bulut lost that game.

 

[jck200]

The last time we saw that mess was when we went 3-0 up at Middlesbrough and Morrison decided we could sit back and defend a 3-0 lead. Most of the time it is the players who lose games but to change a winning team by using subs into a losing team rests with the manager so why has he not apologised. From the start I would always give players and the manager a fair chance, we have the makings of a good side and looked really in control even with Meitie falling over and losing the ball all the time. If Bulut does not understand he ruined the game are we going to have to put up with this shambles in every game. Some are defending Bulut which is fine but the majority consider he cost us the win, ok he was asked about Tanner but why was he asked about Tanner, because the majority could not believe he did that.

 

[BluefromBridgend]

Okay we're 5 games in, 3 poor results v QPR, Leicester and Ipswich. Could and should have had 3 more points at least.

However, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't a number of us say he needs some time. Is 5 games enough? Not for me.

He now has his squad, even if bloated, and has 2 weeks to prepare before our western cousins rock up for the derby.

He will be missing a few on international duty but surely he can instill into the rest what is needed. And, after all the Swans are also up sh1te creek with a new manager as a paddle as well.

I understand people's anger at throwing away a 2 goal lead but let's all be a bit patient and see what can be done in the next few weeks.

Also, remember if we are peed off then surely VT will be as well. Bearing in mind his previous quick route to dismissal do we really want that at such an early stage?

 

[BrizzleBluebird]

Okay we're 5 games in, 3 poor results v QPR, Leicester and Ipswich. Could and should have had 3 more points at least.

However, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't a number of us say he needs some time. Is 5 games enough? Not for me.

He now has his squad, even if bloated, and has 2 weeks to prepare before our western cousins rock up for the derby.

He will be missing a few on international duty but surely he can instill into the rest what is needed. And, after all the Swans are also up sh1te creek with a new manager as a paddle as well.

I understand people's anger at throwing away a 2 goal lead but let's all be a bit patient and see what can be done in the next few weeks.

Also, remember if we are peed off then surely VT will be as well. Bearing in mind his previous quick route to dismissal do we really want that at such an early stage?

I think that's part of what's so frustrating so far... Ok QPR was dreadful, yet we could have snatched a point.
Leeds, Leicester and now Ipswich, we feel like we've thrown points away.

To my mind, the fact we're peeved shows how far the team has come in a very short space of time.
Last season there were many occasions where we meekly accepted we just weren't good enough, potentially as fans AND as a team.

This season so far we've been in every game and conceivably could and maybe should have picked up far bigger rewards.
All this despite trying to get what is near as damnit a whole new team to knit together.

I still have plenty of confidence that we'll be fine this season and may yet turn into dark horses for a shot at the play-offs (think it's probably beyond us but who knows?).

5 games is far too short a time to judge Bulut and the squad on.
It's a cliche but 10 games plus really does need to be the minimum.

Many great managers would have been out on their ears if judged solely on their first half dozen games.

Patience is a virtue. It's time for us Bluebirds to be virtuous.

 

[ninian opinion]

Patience is a virtue. It's time for us Bluebirds to be virtuous.

Patience has to be earned in my book.

 

[remote]

I think that's part of what's so frustrating so far... Ok QPR was dreadful, yet we could have snatched a point.
Leeds, Leicester and now Ipswich, we feel like we've thrown points away.

To my mind, the fact we're peeved shows how far the team has come in a very short space of time.
Last season there were many occasions where we meekly accepted we just weren't good enough, potentially as fans AND as a team.

This season so far we've been in every game and conceivably could and maybe should have picked up far bigger rewards.
All this despite trying to get what is near as damnit a whole new team to knit together.

I still have plenty of confidence that we'll be fine this season and may yet turn into dark horses for a shot at the play-offs (think it's probably beyond us but who knows?).

5 games is far too short a time to judge Bulut and the squad on.
It's a cliche but 10 games plus really does need to be the minimum.

Many great managers would have been out on their ears if judged solely on their first half dozen games.

Patience is a virtue. It's time for us Bluebirds to be virtuous.

I don't disagree.
But besides evidence of the team developing, we need to see evidence of Erol learning, not just pointing a finger.
Get annoyed with players who don't perform or execute the game plan.
But, get annoyed with yourself when you c0ck up.

 

[clingo]

I don't disagree.
But besides evidence of the team developing, we need to see evidence of Erol learning, not just pointing a finger.
Get annoyed with players who don't perform or execute the game plan.
But, get annoyed with yourself when you c0ck up.

Spot on

 

[BluefromBridgend]

Patience has to be earned in my book.

 

[jck200]

Okay we're 5 games in, 3 poor results v QPR, Leicester and Ipswich. Could and should have had 3 more points at least.

However, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't a number of us say he needs some time. Is 5 games enough? Not for me.

He now has his squad, even if bloated, and has 2 weeks to prepare before our western cousins rock up for the derby.

He will be missing a few on international duty but surely he can instill into the rest what is needed. And, after all the Swans are also up sh1te creek with a new manager as a paddle as well.

I understand people's anger at throwing away a 2 goal lead but let's all be a bit patient and see what can be done in the next few weeks.

Also, remember if we are peed off then surely VT will be as well. Bearing in mind his previous quick route to dismissal do we really want that at such an early stage?

Yes we can`t trust Bulut, it may be 5 games but we are as close to the bottom 3 as last season. If we lose the next game we will be bottom 3 and even last season we did not sink that low. What he did on Saturday was madness and you want to trust him for another 5 games?

 

[BluefromBridgend]

Yet another knee jck reaction from someone who knows little about football.

 

[Oldsparkey]

Shame that result and Bulut's performance for that matter came when it did. Instead of a midweek game or even one next weekend to focus on and put things right, we're left to fester for a fortnight over that ultimate capitulation.

Nothing can change that now. but the quicker we get over this result and the adverse feelings that have developed about Bulut as a consequence, the better.

This 5 game/10 game thing is a bit of a myth - the fact is we always obsess over the last one. We need the next one to ponder over to put things right especially because it's the Jacks, otherwise it's going to be a long fortnight on here.