Enough is enough, sick of his banter and bad buys, want him out. a geezer from a local workingsman club, has more tactics than him, without the Man U connection, he was ****ed long ago, time for his taxi, .....................realy annoyed.
Bruce out now
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I can make one, you've got 38 points from 32 games, when he came in you had just finished on 36 points, so therefore you are better now than before he came in. Can't see you going down.
You won't go down. No chance in hell. Although it is nice to have you below us in the league again lol.
TBH even that is unimportant tonight for me, that performance was worse second half than the 5-1.
Yeah and it was two years ago, we were unlucky in games went down by 1 point and didn't even offer any excuses thats how bad the standard of the bottom 3 was. One win and you'll pick up results again remember last year after u beat Bolton 4-0.
Time for Bruce to go!!!He has the team he has bought or loaned on the pitch,so no blame can be attached on previous managers.He let Bent leave..nobody to blame but himself for that.The team haven't performed for too long now,so there must be a problem in the camp.The buck stops with SB,so he must go!
You guys are in the unfortunate position where you're playing a lot of teams below you for your remaining games. This means that you have two responsibilities: to take the three points and push you up the table, and to avoid giving any points to teams which you're trying to stay above.
So, if you lost against Birmingham for example, you've not only lost a 3 point improvement, but you've also put a fellow relegation battler three points closer.
This can be a good thing and a bad thing. If you play well and win/draw, then you'll be adding points to your total and depriving lower down teams of further points. However, if you guys lose, the lower teams will be catching up much quicker as a result of the points you're handing over.
I wanted to mark my 100th post with something special but right now I just canââ¬â¢t.
My first post was in January. Do you remember how things were then? Do you remember we were thinking and talking about Europe?! Do you remember people were saying we were deluded but we genuinely believed it? Those Geordie WUMs now have every right to come on here and rub our noses in it. Because we ARE in it!
I too have been trying to think positively about Bruce but I think weââ¬â¢re past the point of no return. Heââ¬â¢s obviously very good at picking out excellent players. He obviously has an excellent scouting network. However, the problem is what happens when he gets these excellent players in.
Some of them (the South American contingent ââ¬â World Cup players!) donââ¬â¢t even get a chance! Whatââ¬â¢s the point of getting them in if youââ¬â¢re not going to play them?
And look at the excellent players he does get in: Muntari, Sessegnon. He canââ¬â¢t get them to respond.
Even Gyan, Bruce had him firing on all cylinders and then he seems to have run out of steam.
Of course, his greatest success story is Darren Bent. Iââ¬â¢m not being sarcastic. He got Bent doing what everyone knows he can do ââ¬â score goals. And then look what happened.
I was very upset with Darren Bent but it seems there is a common denominator in all of these situations and that common denominator is Steve Bruce.
When we look back over the past ten years or so, weââ¬â¢ve had players and managers who were capable of getting us up but not keeping us up. Iââ¬â¢m thinking of Mick McCarthy, for whom I have the highest regard as a manager and a person, and players like Carlos Edwards, who gave us magical moments, but they could only take us so far. We did have a great team and manager at the beginning of the century with Peter Reid, Kevin Phillips, Niall Quinn the player ââ¬â wow! ââ¬â but we didnââ¬â¢t have an administration (chairman, though that chairman was to bequeath us an infrastructure second to none) in place to sustain progress.
Then Quinn arrived as chairman, Irish backing, Keane as manager, uncontrolled buying of adequate players. Then Bruce and Short arrive with the acquisition of higher-class players and weââ¬â¢re top-half calibre in the Premier League.
Last season, the magic carpet ride took us to heady heights but apparently we overshot and needed a thirteen-game losing spell to put things in perspective. We did the right thing, however, in keeping Bruce and getting out of our nosedive. This season, we strengthen with higher-class players and we go into freefall again. This time we were not overshooting. We were punching our weight because quite frankly, with the players we had (including Bent), we were genuine Europa Leauge candidates. But here we are again on the way down. This time, I feel Bruce is out of his depth. I honestly believe that we now need to look elsewhere for the manager to take us on to the next level. And if we donââ¬â¢t do it now, we run the risk of losing those players who were sold the club as a viable European force but who now must be having second thoughts.
Manager-and-club combinations are sometimes made in heaven: Shankley (and successors) with Liverpool, Ferguson with United, Wenger with Arsenal et al, and these lead to long-term success. However, there are other shorter-term ones which can be very successful and there is no better example than the man that masterminded our defeat today, Roy Hodgson. (Or did we mastermind our own defeat?)
Iââ¬â¢ve lived in Switzerland for the last 20 years so know what Hodgson did for the Swiss national team, taking them from nowhere to repeated European Nations and World Cup Final qualifications. Look what he did with Fulham. Look what heââ¬â¢s doing with WBA.
Of course he failed with Liverpool (Iââ¬â¢m not saying that the combination club-manager is always successful) but look what Liverpool did. Bring in the motivator, bring in the ââ¬Ånameââ¬Â. And this is exactly what I think we should do.
I personally would get Martin Oââ¬â¢Neill in as I think what he did with Villa was amazing. Look what has happened to them since he left. Apparently he was a Sunderland fan as a boy (though I donââ¬â¢t believe the story that he has ââ¬ÅSunderlandââ¬Â tattooed somewhere on his body). Others want Martin Jol. Fine. I donââ¬â¢t know his pedigree very well but he seems to be of the calibre we require.
Way back in the dark days we went for a certain Lawrie McMenemy and it was an unmitigated disaster because the club was too ââ¬Åsmallââ¬Â for the big-name manager or the manager did not have the qualities necessary for a club like ours. Whatever. There was total incompatibility. Now, however, I feel that we have reached the stage where we are ready for a ââ¬Ånameââ¬Â manager (as McMeneny was at the time). And for the reasons I have outlined earlier, we must do it now.
Maybe we will turn it around with Bruce but I fear it will just lead to another season, next year, of unfulfilled promise and one in which it will be even harder to attract the next level of player we require.
He has just signed a contract, OK, pay him what he is due for the next three years or so. So be it. But letââ¬â¢s do it with sincere gratitude for the job he has done for us. I will always be grateful for the ride heââ¬â¢s taken us on, as I will always be grateful to Roy Keane for his part, but the magic carpet needs another driver.
It brings a smile to the face to hear the Blackpool supporters singing, ââ¬Åthis is the best trip Iââ¬â¢ve ever been onââ¬Â but itââ¬â¢s destined to be a short one, whatever the romance involved. Ours is a different destiny. We are Sunderland AFC with a top-class set-up in place (stadium, supporters, academy, finances) but which needs a change in personnel to take us further, on the best trip weââ¬â¢ve ever been on.
My first post was in January. Do you remember how things were then? Do you remember we were thinking and talking about Europe?! Do you remember people were saying we were deluded but we genuinely believed it? Those Geordie WUMs now have every right to come on here and rub our noses in it. Because we ARE in it!
I too have been trying to think positively about Bruce but I think weââ¬â¢re past the point of no return. Heââ¬â¢s obviously very good at picking out excellent players. He obviously has an excellent scouting network. However, the problem is what happens when he gets these excellent players in.
Some of them (the South American contingent ââ¬â World Cup players!) donââ¬â¢t even get a chance! Whatââ¬â¢s the point of getting them in if youââ¬â¢re not going to play them?
And look at the excellent players he does get in: Muntari, Sessegnon. He canââ¬â¢t get them to respond.
Even Gyan, Bruce had him firing on all cylinders and then he seems to have run out of steam.
Of course, his greatest success story is Darren Bent. Iââ¬â¢m not being sarcastic. He got Bent doing what everyone knows he can do ââ¬â score goals. And then look what happened.
I was very upset with Darren Bent but it seems there is a common denominator in all of these situations and that common denominator is Steve Bruce.
When we look back over the past ten years or so, weââ¬â¢ve had players and managers who were capable of getting us up but not keeping us up. Iââ¬â¢m thinking of Mick McCarthy, for whom I have the highest regard as a manager and a person, and players like Carlos Edwards, who gave us magical moments, but they could only take us so far. We did have a great team and manager at the beginning of the century with Peter Reid, Kevin Phillips, Niall Quinn the player ââ¬â wow! ââ¬â but we didnââ¬â¢t have an administration (chairman, though that chairman was to bequeath us an infrastructure second to none) in place to sustain progress.
Then Quinn arrived as chairman, Irish backing, Keane as manager, uncontrolled buying of adequate players. Then Bruce and Short arrive with the acquisition of higher-class players and weââ¬â¢re top-half calibre in the Premier League.
Last season, the magic carpet ride took us to heady heights but apparently we overshot and needed a thirteen-game losing spell to put things in perspective. We did the right thing, however, in keeping Bruce and getting out of our nosedive. This season, we strengthen with higher-class players and we go into freefall again. This time we were not overshooting. We were punching our weight because quite frankly, with the players we had (including Bent), we were genuine Europa Leauge candidates. But here we are again on the way down. This time, I feel Bruce is out of his depth. I honestly believe that we now need to look elsewhere for the manager to take us on to the next level. And if we donââ¬â¢t do it now, we run the risk of losing those players who were sold the club as a viable European force but who now must be having second thoughts.
Manager-and-club combinations are sometimes made in heaven: Shankley (and successors) with Liverpool, Ferguson with United, Wenger with Arsenal et al, and these lead to long-term success. However, there are other shorter-term ones which can be very successful and there is no better example than the man that masterminded our defeat today, Roy Hodgson. (Or did we mastermind our own defeat?)
Iââ¬â¢ve lived in Switzerland for the last 20 years so know what Hodgson did for the Swiss national team, taking them from nowhere to repeated European Nations and World Cup Final qualifications. Look what he did with Fulham. Look what heââ¬â¢s doing with WBA.
Of course he failed with Liverpool (Iââ¬â¢m not saying that the combination club-manager is always successful) but look what Liverpool did. Bring in the motivator, bring in the ââ¬Ånameââ¬Â. And this is exactly what I think we should do.
I personally would get Martin Oââ¬â¢Neill in as I think what he did with Villa was amazing. Look what has happened to them since he left. Apparently he was a Sunderland fan as a boy (though I donââ¬â¢t believe the story that he has ââ¬ÅSunderlandââ¬Â tattooed somewhere on his body). Others want Martin Jol. Fine. I donââ¬â¢t know his pedigree very well but he seems to be of the calibre we require.
Way back in the dark days we went for a certain Lawrie McMenemy and it was an unmitigated disaster because the club was too ââ¬Åsmallââ¬Â for the big-name manager or the manager did not have the qualities necessary for a club like ours. Whatever. There was total incompatibility. Now, however, I feel that we have reached the stage where we are ready for a ââ¬Ånameââ¬Â manager (as McMeneny was at the time). And for the reasons I have outlined earlier, we must do it now.
Maybe we will turn it around with Bruce but I fear it will just lead to another season, next year, of unfulfilled promise and one in which it will be even harder to attract the next level of player we require.
He has just signed a contract, OK, pay him what he is due for the next three years or so. So be it. But letââ¬â¢s do it with sincere gratitude for the job he has done for us. I will always be grateful for the ride heââ¬â¢s taken us on, as I will always be grateful to Roy Keane for his part, but the magic carpet needs another driver.
It brings a smile to the face to hear the Blackpool supporters singing, ââ¬Åthis is the best trip Iââ¬â¢ve ever been onââ¬Â but itââ¬â¢s destined to be a short one, whatever the romance involved. Ours is a different destiny. We are Sunderland AFC with a top-class set-up in place (stadium, supporters, academy, finances) but which needs a change in personnel to take us further, on the best trip weââ¬â¢ve ever been on.
I think your post is excellent-a really fair reflection of recent times for Sunlun. The only thing I would question is the 'class players' he has signed.
Who are they-bar Gyan- ??
If they are class,which i dont think they are,why does he need to make them play well? Do they not do it themselves?
If i were a prem league manager the only class I would want is Gyan, maybe Cattermole and maybe the keeper. All the loanees and recent buys have done nowt in real terms i.e. Goals or good midfield play.
Thoughts??
Who are they-bar Gyan- ??
If they are class,which i dont think they are,why does he need to make them play well? Do they not do it themselves?
If i were a prem league manager the only class I would want is Gyan, maybe Cattermole and maybe the keeper. All the loanees and recent buys have done nowt in real terms i.e. Goals or good midfield play.
Thoughts??
Bring us a manager, who is hungry, one who wants sucess, give him the dosh, Ellis Short has more dosh than tha dodgie russian at Chealskie.bruce ,,,,,,sorry a clueless git, let him take his South americans with him. ANGRY.