*sigh* let's just put the goal posts back where they were. Did you listen to his speech, where he claimed nobody knew? Have you seen the evidence from several sources, including the ones he quote showing his claim was false? That clearly means that he lied in his speech, so it wasn't the 'honest assessment you claimed. He's having to lie to justify his payments abroad, his collapse to the unions and theft from pensioners.
Something's not right, and I'm thinking the £22B now is a different black hole, only reason I say that, is because I remember something about it being announced on the 29th July by Reeves, and thinking then it was a different hole in the economy. I could be wrong, that don't bother me, but something not quite adding up. I know Sunak said that Kier would have to raise taxes by x amount per family in one of their debates, so this is why I'm thinking this is a different £20B+ we are talking about now. Trouble is as per usual DMD is like a ferret up a drain pipe and thinks nowt through and starts windmilling the comments, normally to cause confusion to avoid seeing through the lies, this is what he did with 30p Lee, then wonders why people won't discuss with him properly.
If the Office of Budget Responsibility lost track of £20 billion, I think there'd be a bit more of an outcry.
Beth is saying the £20b is due to them paying the public sector wage rises, which is different to keefs claim, and more in line with the other claims I have mentioned.
On the actual point in question, you were wrong yet again, as the evidence clearly shows. Maybe if you tried to discuss rather than challenge based on some long failed fantasy versions of posters, you may just learn a thing or two.
Thou shall not join riots with racists (as there were no racists at the riots, just salt-of-the-earth innocent Englishmen that just happened to try to burn down a hotel full of asylum seekers)
Do you have any more fake news to post, that just ends up showing how bad your heroes are? It's becoming quite a habit for you.
How was I wrong brains. I said it was refreshingly honest to hear a politician say that we are not in a good place financially. That was it and it would have the same comment if any leader of any of the parties had made it. I never commented on any other part of the speech, nor do I really care. I never voted for Starmer, so why should I care? Simple yes or no question to you…do we have a £20B black hole or not. To use your own comments of “failed fantasy versions of posters” you should actually read what is written rather than try to attack the poster and shift the goalposts to fit with your normally incorrect narrative. Maybe you could then learn a thing or two Anyways, you have your bit of attention for the day and I’ve got better things to do.
You are clinging in desperation to the aspect that is not in dispute, because you know you are wrong. He lied about knowing about that black hole, which the evidence clearly shows. That means your delight at what you thought was an 'honest appraisal' was misplaced. You've been wrong plenty of times before, and on most of those you've tried to reframe it, just as you are trying now, and it didn't help your underlying issues.
It's interesting looking around a few Labour supporters sites, and they don't like Starmer, because they reckon he's more of a tory than the tories were, yet the dopey lefties on here back him, and try to claim the rest of us must be tories. I said Labour getting in power would be fun, and with the full expectations of the replies this will get, I was right. #transparentandpredictableasfuck
Of course it was an honest assessment, we have a £20B black hole. If we didn’t have a £20B black hole and Starmer said it, it would be a dishonest. It really is that simple
