Off Topic Britain to start bombing Syria within hours

I agree something needs doing, but something thought through and reasoned. Operations across Iraq/Syria with whom? A coalition of who? We will not put boots on the ground, apparently. Is that wise? Why would you do the hard miles (or the expensive easy ones) only to renage your final responsibility to some mish-mash local ground force.

It's madness, it's irresponsible, it is simply wrong. We will end up on the ground, I believe we already are, I think Cameron is a liar and a fool. We are better than this.

 

Oh right, good to know. It's just Cameron wanted to bomb Assad's forces a couple of years ago in support of the rebels so I was just wondering.

The Russians are bombing ISIS and the rebels. Good. The rebels we supposedly support are Islamists as well, just not as extreme as ISIS. They're anti-Shia, anti-Alawite sectarians. The majority of Syrians support Assad.

 

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Without a hint of irony.

 

That's true. He wanted to bomb Assad a few years ago, around the time he used chemical weapons against his own people. Obama promised military action if Assad 'crossed a red line' which he did. Assad averted a military response by agreeing to have his chemical weapons removed and destroyed. That was verified and here he is, still in the middle of all this trouble.

The Russians were, until recently, concentrating their bombing campaign on Assad's opponents in the west of the country, not on ISIS further east. It just so happens that's where the Russians have their only Mediterranean naval base in Tartus, leased off the Syrians.

 

congratulations on getting so much utter bollocks into two sentences.

Appeasement in a political context is a diplomatic policy of making political or material concessions to an enemy power in order to avoid conflict.

remind us what political or material concessions the uk might have made to the gaylords in daesh.

more of the country and more of the labour membership backed corbyn's viewpoint.

 

if you seriously think corbyn didn't know exactly what the outcome of the vote was going to be, you're an idiot.

 

‘Appeasement in a political context is a diplomatic policy of making political or material concessions to an enemy power in order to avoid conflict'.


Thanks for copying and pasting the above from Wikipedia the meaning of appeasement. I know where to go the next time I get stuck.


The concession is surely letting the enemy know your pacifist views, encouraging him to xxxx all over you without the fear of retaliation.


We all know bombing alone will not resolve the Syrian conflict. We need an Arab coalition with boots on the ground to be successful.

 

Of course Corbyn knew he was in a minority. His lifelong political views are well known and he has no intention of changing. Good on him. He was voted in by the disaffected youth and the Monty Python lot. As a bloke he’s a top man but he’s just not a leader and he knows it.

 

sorry, i thought you'd dropped in from the sun or daily mail. i don't entirely agree with some of what you've said, but my position isn't fixed enough to argue from.

 

Don't

Don't
worry , GCHQ Intelligence has a current fix on your position. Stay where you are.

 

If you can get RT television it's worth a look at their news. The Russians are talking about the oil trade between ISIS and Turkey. Despite the bombing of Syria going on for four years ( ? ) and Iraq even longer, ISIS is still making millions a day from selling oil. Why has the coalition of the good and willing not stopped this before now, and why are they so angry with Russia when they bomb the oil industry and it's convoys heading to Turkey.

 

It's obvious Corbyn is not in a position of power, but he has been banging on about this for a good while. Whilst others are screaming for bombing, some have been asking how Daesh sell their oil/get the money for it; where they get their arms from (as well as all those they captured from the Iraqi 'armed forces'); donations from rich Gulf states patrons, etc.

 

It looked at first that we could contain the Islamic State and kettle it whilst it drew all the jihadist mercenaries in to one zone however the effect was a Syrian refugee crisis in the opposite direction with many using the opportunity to flock to Europe. Its the refugee crisis, Tunisia and Paris that now make a rogue IS state intolerable and military action across Iraq & Syria imperative. This wont end quickly but we should be a part of efforts to make the world a safer place and getting refugees home.