Bristol City in talks with Top Premier League Clubs.

I agree that Ashton Gate should always belong to BCFC in its entirety ... It no longer does so. BCFC are an equal partner with the rugby club.

I would disagree that Bristol Sport taking over elements of the FC, rebranding is not a loss of identity. European models do not do this.It is not necessary. Bristol Sport have interfered in elements of fandom - The singing section being moved and around the stadium is down to Bristol Sport. If you refer to an increase in facilities ... That did not necessitate an alternative company being created.

Italian models ... Differ because they often do not own their asset of the stadium - This is changing and clubs are looking it move away from shared facilities.

I did not state BCFC had ceased to involve themselves in the community because that is untrue. Last week the Community trust helped run the EFL cup and have been involving themselves in a inter school tournament ran by Ashton school x the Community trust and the finals to be played at Ashton Gate.

Ask your coaching friend what has happened to the coaching centres ran by the community trust? How much it costs to become a partner of the Community trust for schools and junior clubs? Do partnerships favour affluent schools and clubs? Ask him if Bristol City's involvement in grass roots football has increased or decreased since Amy Kington left and Martin Griffiths got involved? And ask him if Bristol Football junior clubs have been very critical of the way affairs have been conducted since Amy left?

My View is that BS affected the above because they have set targets too high in their quest for money and on other sports. This may all change I hope to see a facility at Ashton Vale ran by maybe Bristol Sport for the Community Trust to really serve Bristol and further, and fill in the above gaps.

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There’s quite a few clubs that don’t own their ground and one being the run away leaders in the Prem.

 

The singing section as far as I can see has been moved on several occasions at the request of the fans. where they are currently situated is at their own request.

Regards, your comments about the community trust and costs, nothing surprises me, poor decisions are made by individuals that quite frankly are incapable of making these decisions. but thats true of many organisations . I will ask him the questions you have posed and get back to you, but personally I have no problem with Bristol rugby coming in to the umbrella and sharing central costs and giving the stadium the opportunity to be in use over many extra other days with the income that brings more than we would be used to.

 

The singing section is now in the South Stand years late. Fans were informed by Bristol Sport it could not be incorporated into the stand originally. One of the reasons was the rake of the stand. The rake of the stands has not altered ... Economic (expedient fibbing) with the truth there.

There was no need to create a alternative brand with no value and history to incorporate the rugby into a structure headed by BCFC. It could have easily been called Bristol City Sports and the rugby club staying as Bristol and a partner beneath the FC in the structure..

The people making those decisions are Bristol Sport.

The original idea of creating satellite training centres ran by the Community Trust feeding into the academy was an excellent one as part of the player pathway. It is something that could have been enlarged to include development centres. Something teams around Bristol do and apart from a couple of teams ran by individuals linked to BCFC City do not. There is a parallel here to Southampton (again) who run a development centre in Bath - Bristol City have nothing to compare.

A point above to be made about Bristol's City's ethos, philosophy, dna, project ... To improve aspects BCFC should be out in the Community teaching the coaches, the schools, the clubs in an effort to shape future players in a progressive manner leading to more technical players entering BCFC's player pathway. The football BCFC are playing now can be shaped in junior clubs and up for the future .. This is something European Sporting models do.

 

Cliftonville you're clearly very knowledgeable on various FC models and FC's in general right down to a grassroots model, but I've never seen you once concede anything, agree with anyone's posts or generally acknowledge that other people's opinions can be at least partially correct as well. They're always written in a condescending way (which I admit I have been guilty of too) as if your post is the truth and nothing else is. It's a bit of a shame because you clearly know more than the majority of us.

I too was somewhat nervous about this whole Bristol Sport thing, but I can't say it's been that negative for me. The matchday experience has improved ten-fold, and I don't feel like any of the soul of my club has gone. I still feel part of that club, the players still feel as accessible as they did when I was a kid (though this will definitely not be the case for those of the older generations admittedly), and the associated benefits cost-wise are obvious, as you've stated. There are certain sterilisations that have come along but they have come along due to modern football as a whole and nothing to do with the new-model BCFC.

Most fans don't give a damn about the structure of holding companies and/or associated affiliates. They just want to go to watch the football, bump into the same people they do every fortnight, maybe have a beer and hopefully see a victory for their team. That hasn't changed one bit for me.

 

Incidentally, are there any books you would recommend? Mainly with regard to what you seem to more passionately talk about, football club structure, tactics, etc.

 

I would certainly concede I got Aden Flint wrong ... Wildly wrong.

My observations made in this thread regarding Bristol Sport - BCFC come from having a Son at an academy, and being lucky enough to be paid to coach, sometimes purchase BCFC/Community Trust services away from watching the XI, having friends who are BCFC coaches and coaches at other clubs, and ex coaches ... If I did not give a damn about what I do I should not be doing it,

Evolution of football tactics - Inverting the pyramid / The Mixer

German football - Das Reboot
Brazil- Futbol
Netherlands - Brilliant orange.

Improving the game itself from grass roots up - The way forward

Youth Coaching - Making the ball roll

 

Fair enough Cliftonville, and much appreciated with those suggestions. I'll certainly be looking into those

 

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glad you regard yourself as a sycophant

 

But there now all the same!

Why is that a necessity to you?? Bristol City sports, Bristol sports.. whats the difference?

 

But there now all the same!

For now. And an example of poor practice that does not put Bristol Sport in a good light costing money and goodwill.

Why is that a necessity to you?? Bristol City sports, Bristol sports.. whats the difference?

It is not a necessity, Mr Lansdown does as he sees fit. It looks like a play thing. His idea that it is based upon Barcelona does not bare scrutiny. Within this creation of a brand to usurp BCFC no strategy was ever revealed. Its benefits v obvious alternatives, its necessity was never revealed. It looks like a structure that will be streamlined.
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he who shouts loses