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Bring back rafa!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Noblelox, Jan 15, 2013.

  1. King Nidge

    King Nidge New Member

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    Well the board has 6 mods , couldn't LFC have 6 managers ? Evans/Houllier failed because there was only 2 of them. My 6 would be the last 6 surely they can get it right between them.

    Rodgers,Kenny,Rafa,Gerry,Evans and Souness or otherwise known as the G.E.R.R.K.S. pronounced jerks ofc. I think the jerks could lead us all the way <ok> <all the way where I'm not exactly sure but...>
     
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  2. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I'd hazard a guess at 32 - which you probably think is old and I think is young
     
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  3. danilo.

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    There were rumours at the time, and an interview i vaguely remember (i've since searched for it with no luck) where those two came out and said a few things about Rafa.

    Namely that he hadn't had much effect at half time in Istanbul (his selections were what got us into the mess according to them) and that the open door to the stadium made more of an impression than any manager would have ever made. Many players considered him cold due to the fact that he never spoke to his players, never gave them praise, never was open for problems, etc.

    That last season was a shambles, as we saw with the Barry/Alonso situation. Gerrard and Carra had to be the father figures in the dressing room, given that younger players could not go to Rafa with any problems.

    There was a QA thing with a former Liverpool youth player (anonymously, but he provided proof) about his time at the club. He described Rafa as very cold and not involved much with the youth setup. One day, this player wanted to impress Rafa on the rare occasion that he would come down. As an offensive midfielder, he was taught to run into the box to support the strikers. He ran in, and scored a beautiful goal according to his coach.

    He described it as a great moment for him, he was feeling fantastic, his coach was clapping, etc.

    Rafa walked over, scowled, and told him: "You left your man unmarked. If they were to counter-attack, you would be stranded, not able to help out defensively. Don't ever do that again." Never saw Rafa again. He then said he tried to focus on the defensive aspect of the game to impress Rafa but he lost the drive to succeed and soon left the club.

    In today's team, where our youth are starting to break through, is this the man we want to oversee that? I understand the need for perfection but to drill out the offensive part of an offensive midfielder? Shows you exactly what happened to Gerrard.
     
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  4. mighty_stevie_g

    mighty_stevie_g Well-Known Member

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    This **** can not start, what did you really think was going to happen this season?

    For **** sake, if we force Rodgers out before he has had time to get exactly who he wants in and playing the style he wants to play then you'll see a club that will be fighting relegation soon enough (properly).

    It is not BR fault that he has inherited the likes of downing, cole, Carroll etc but he is doing what the majority wanted and phasing them out and replacing with young hungry talent OH and blooding in those players you have all been begging for someone to do: Suso, sterling, wisdom etc

    Just let him have 2 seasons and see where we at, we don't have this Devine right to be top 4, we wasn't always top 4 with rafa either and realistically when Kenny left our squad was a **** state.

    Just let the manager have a chance, THAT is the Liverpool way, we are not Chelsea. Sure they've won a few more trophies than us in recent years but their fans are ****ing miserable as well
     
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  5. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    No thanks.

    He would get rid of most of the players Rodgers and Dalglish have bought in and start another rebuilding job. This would cost us another couple of seasons AND it would cost us money that we just don't have.

    We are making progress under Rodgers, even if it does seem snail paced at times, no point kicking him out now. Wait to see how we're doing at this stage next season.
     
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  6. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Mweh, one cup of short termism, added to 100g of frustration, slowly pour in 100ml of nostalgia & pinch of desperation. Bake in the selective memory oven for another 2 years and Voila! A "right back where we started" cake.
     
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  7. Neither here or there

    Neither here or there Active Member

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    As much as most Liverpool fans love Rafa, he would require a substantial amount of cash and he would also have the job of getting rid of the deadwood at the same time. At least with Rodgers he has the potential to make mediocre players perform better than they should(occasionally - Downing more recently). Rafa is not renown for his tact in man management that's for sure and right now I believe its something that's required in our squad.

    Rodgers has alot to learn and being a young coach has its own pressure. Give it some time and gauge him at season end.
     
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  8. Jeremy Hillary Boob

    Jeremy Hillary Boob GC Thread Terminator

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  9. saintanton

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    Where's Woy? :mad:
     
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  10. BringBackfootie

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    My boss may be a jerk, but if I believe he is able and competent I can overlook it cos of respect. It's got nothing to do with like.

    Rafa is imo a poor motivator. H had an excellent squad in Valencia and they were good pros and didn't need hand holding, they won the league.

    We again had a team of good pros with Liverpool 2005/06 and in 2009 with again little need for hand holding and knew what was required. He should have won the league.


    If you give him a team of good players with strong mentality and a bit of fkn maturity he would succeed I reckon.

    The latter we can't offer him so it's a huge no for me. He can run the academy<ok>
     
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  11. BringBackfootie

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    My boss may be a jerk, but if I believe he is able and competent I can overlook it cos of respect. It's got nothing to do with like.

    Rafa is imo a poor motivator. H had an excellent squad in Valencia and they were good pros and didn't need hand holding, they won the league.

    We again had a team of good pros with Liverpool 2005/06 and in 2009 with again little need for hand holding and knew what was required. He should have won the league.


    If you give him a team of good players with strong mentality and a bit of fkn maturity he would succeed I reckon.

    The latter we can't offer him so it's a huge no for me. He can run the academy<ok>


    This site is acting the bollox
     
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  12. redconn

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    Rafa should never have been sacked. It was Idiocy.

    He should have been offered the job that Kenny should have had another year at.

    But I do like Rodgers a lot and want to keep him.

    If they decide to drop Brendan, then Rafa should be the only name on the shortlist. But we should give Rodgers a fair bit of time. We're looking a very good, very young side. And we look good doing it despite some of the results.
     
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  13. Milk Milk

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    I agree Rafa shouldn't have been sacked... and Rodgers shouldn't either... yet.

    I have little optimism or faith in him. I think he is full of hot air and we are unlikely to go far with him.
    However...

    He should have at least a full season. Then rejudge.

    Stability is important, yes. But it is more important it is stability with the right person I'm not convinced that person is Rodgers.


    Comment above about progressing if slowly.


    Are we progressing? I think we just started out the season with a mix of bad luck and hard fixtures.

    Our "improved form" is more a result of luck balancing out and having easier fixtures.

    Are we really any better than 6 months ago? A year ago?

    Rodgers isn't so bad he needs replacing immediately but he does need to be reevaluated at seasons end.
     
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  14. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    1. i've no doubt we are underperforming due to weakassed defending.

    2. suarez is firing and if this was last year we would be in seriousl trouble

    3. i like the style of football personally.

    4. i think he is a spoofer when talking. he should be more straight when not answering a leading question. shuold shut up a bit.

    5. no way you sack a guy afte rinvesting in his signings after 6 months.... even ra buys his own players and sacks managaer if they don't pick his team...
     
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  15. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I think Rodgers needs to be given a chance. I also agree with redconn, Rafa shouldn't have been sacked and Kenny should have had another year.

    I don't know if it would work Rafa coming back but you can't ignore the achievements we had under him.
     
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  16. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    54 here <doh> Do we really, really have to go through this fu<king debate AGAIN?
     
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  17. saintanton

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    Seems like it.
    Every time we have a bad result we get the same calls wheeled out. Changing every few minutes was not how we built our success in the past and I don't believe it would work any better now.
     
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  18. Milk Milk

    Milk Milk Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps we could turn Downing into a manager and Rodgers into a left-back.
     
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  19. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    Would you still think that if Guardiola was on offer?

    (I'm only curious)
     
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  20. Neither here or there

    Neither here or there Active Member

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    Dont be giving 'them' ideas.
     
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