What has gotten me this week is Sturidge. If he is not match fit, start with him and take him off when he tires, don't bring him on at half time, that is just stupid. Start him, let him do his damage and when he tires take him off. It is common sense to start with your best 11, only ****wit David Brent can't grasp that simple concept. What if he got tired after 30 minutes? Do you sub your sub? What if he was good to last 75 minutes? One man lost us the manc match, and that was the manager. He thinks too small and doesn't give the team the confidence to beat the big teams.
Rafa has already lost a trophy for Chelsea and has almost gotten them out of a second. His first games for Chelsea have gone the same way as his games for Inter and for us. Inconsistent. A 4-0 win, multiple 0-0 draws, a loss to QPR, etc etc. Why would he do any better here where the gulf in players is evident? We don't have Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Ba, etc. He would demand signings, leaving us with one rising star, 3 crocked wingers, 2 useless and non-utilised strikers and probably would piss off Suarez or the likes of. No thank you. He hasn't proved anything since 2009.
I agree with this. The problem as I see it is we have nobody in their job at LFC with any experience. The owners don't understand football - although they are trying to, give them their due. Ayre has no experience as a managing director and Rodgers has no real experience of top level football. We need a 'vision' (can't think what else to call it) that stays in place so that when we change owners/manager we don't go back to square one. I don't think a DOF is what I'm thinking of either. As they're thinking of employing Kenny again maybe his role culd be to act not only as club ambassador but to work with the academy and instill some sort of 'Liverpool Way' that is adhered to. Heck isn't that what Swansea have been doing??
I love Rafa.. but I agree with this.. With regards to BR.. give the man a chance for crying out loud! he's been in the job a Whooping 6months, what do expect, results wise in that period of time? I like the football we play (for the majority of the time), yes, he's made mistakes, yes he's stubborn in that he wants to play a certain way. but I'm sure he'll learn from these mistakes and will learn to adapt his tactics so were not too one dimensional, to be honest, he's done it a few times already this year in changing from 2 to 3 at the back against Chelsea and the other day when he took Lucas off and bought on Sturridge. I for one would like to see him in charge for a good while longer before I start questioning him! I'm not calling anyone here a plastic, but I hate this "we want something yesterday" nature of fan support nowadays! Grumpy old mans rant over!
I don't think BR will be remembered too warmly in the history books... I'd be flabbergasted if we won anything with him or qualified for champions league under him. However, it would be an odd time to call for his head. Give him to the end of the season. I don't expect great things from him... but give him the season. He has been given the job he deserves a chance to try. I'd love Rafa back but can't see it happening for reasons people have listed above. Not sure if we could attract a manager of that calibre again now... other than Rafa himself.
My concern when Rodgers was appointed was his lack of experience. Yes everyone has to start somewhere, I know. Once he was appointed there's only one thing to do back him - he's the manager. The very fact he's managing Liverpool is giving him more experience so that's that one being sorted ... but ..... does he have the ability to draw big names to the club. I understand we don't need a team of big names but we do need some and given the players who've turned us down so far, I'm wondering how long it will take for players to want to play for him - which is always one part of the two-fold reasons players sign for a particular club: which club is it and who's the manager? (wages aside!!!!) When teams like Southampton are being preferred over us you have to wonder!
Evidently, when we agreed at the beginning of the season that rebuilding is going to take time and we need to be patient, a lot of us didn't really mean it. Here we are, half way through the first season, not lighting up the PL, but not disastrous either, and already we're talking about failure and getting rid. We will never succeed if we change managers every five minutes.
I don't think it’s because he's our manager that we've lost out on any big signings (BTW, who are these big signings we've missed out on during his time here?), I'm afraid its our current predicament, mid-table team, not guaranteed CL football that is the main cause! He’s in a no win situation, if we don’t get Big Name Player A, its because Rogers is a no-name manager.. If we sign Big Name Player B, its because we’re Liverpool Football Club! Damn'd if he does and Damn'd if didn't!
Chelsea have proved you can change managers every five minutes and succeed but they have the dosh to do it!
I'm sorry if I didn't make the distinction between big name players and just (any) player who has turned us down. We can't attract big names at the moment - not just because of the manager but the other reasons you mention. Players like Dempsey/Sigurdsson/Ramirez/Forren - who aren't big names but for various reasons (joining up with your old manager, LFC better prospect than relegation battlers) all didn't choose us.
Regarding these players.. I think Dempsey wanted to come to us, he made it clear he wanted to leave, however, come the last minute, we don't budge, he's in a no win situation in that he's already burnt his bridges and takes the option to join Spurs, We got Sturridge instead of him, I think we got the better deal in the end! Sigurdsson, money grabber if you ask me, knew we wanted him, was prepared to come, Spurs offered more for him to sit on the bench! Ramirez, def. money graber, did he not come out and say during the transfer to Southampton that "They are going to pay me lots of money.." from what I've seen of him so far, he's nothing speical. Forren, up until yesterday I doubt 99.9% of LFC fans would have heard of him, like the others listed above, I won't lose any sleep because we didn't sign him.
Well, last time I checked we were moving up the table (OK very gradually), after what in reality was the start of a massive restructuring job for Rodgers when he was appointed. Yes there's a massive deficit between us and the top, but i think that would still be the case if Rafa had returned since he would still have had the same job to do, I think we're forgetting the frustration of those dire final months of his tenure, maybe this was partly down to Hicks/Gillett witholding or not having funds, but FSG obviously aren't prepared to get out the wheelbarrows yet.
I only stated those players because you asked for examples of players who'd turned us down. I didn't necessarily want any of them either! My concern in all of this is that we don't know how much the manager (as that's what the thread is about) has played a part in players not wanting to join us. I don't read newspapers and I don't believe most of what I read on the net about the ins and outs of why this or that player did or didn't join a club. They all say what they think the fans of the club they joined, want to hear, so we never really know the reasons and can only speculate. I've supported Liverpool for 50 years and I'm not used to players wanting to join the like of Southampton or even Spurs for that matter, over us. I know it's all about money these days, which is a shame.
Don't disagree with you at all.. (I think we've been pretty much arguing the same point from different angles ) That’s 83years of combined support if you add my 33 years..
This is partly true and as such is the exception that proves the rule. Yes, they've changed managers and spent huge amounts of money and they've enjoyed what most would call considerable success. However it's still not enough to please Roman. I think he believes that with the amount of dosh he's thrown at it they should win everything all the time. It's the same with City, with their resources they ought to be walking away with the league, but guess who's probably going to win it yet again? How many clubs have had money (a lesser amount of course) invested in them but gone nowhere? All this proves that real, lasting success is built on more than just money and it takes stability, and it takes time.
Sorry, it won't happen again. Get rid of everybody, spend £200M and everything will be fine! How's that?
Roman's money has bought Chelsea lots of success. They have played virtually a World XI team and had the cream of the crop of managers as well. But much always wants more and unless they won everything that was up for grabs Roman would not be entirely happy - you're right. City are still setting up and establishing themselves on their money. Plus they are now rivalling Chelsea for the pick of top players and as other clubs compete with utd - who've been a big draw for the best players for a lot longer - we should see the lesser effects of money talking. Everton are a case in point about building stability and taking time. If you add up what Moyes has spent in total establishing his club, it's fairly sizeable as well, although nothing to compare with Chelsea and City but he has the advantage they don't have of longevity in the job and ability to instill a philosophy at Everton that after 11 years is starting to pay off.
