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Brexit has been, and was always going to be, bad for the country.
We export much less to the EU and it costs more to do so. We import less and it costs more to do so. It is estimated there are 300k less jobs in the economy which has many consequences. Overall our economy is forecast to be 3-4% smaller as a result.
The negative impact on the industry I work in has been noticeable. I have certainly felt the impact of it, and have yet to feel a single positive, sadly.
It seems to me our position on the world stage has reduced and weakened. We have lost some relevance. For a tiny island nation we have chosen to get out of the community and be an individual. I doubt that is in our interests and I maintain history books will reflect upon it as being a significant mistake for us. The country is going backwards quickly imo, Brexit has played its part in that for me.
We export much less to the EU and it costs more to do so. We import less and it costs more to do so. It is estimated there are 300k less jobs in the economy which has many consequences. Overall our economy is forecast to be 3-4% smaller as a result.
The negative impact on the industry I work in has been noticeable. I have certainly felt the impact of it, and have yet to feel a single positive, sadly.
It seems to me our position on the world stage has reduced and weakened. We have lost some relevance. For a tiny island nation we have chosen to get out of the community and be an individual. I doubt that is in our interests and I maintain history books will reflect upon it as being a significant mistake for us. The country is going backwards quickly imo, Brexit has played its part in that for me.
I’ve not seen that mate, cheers. Well argued by a heavyweight politician.
For what it’s worth… we completely screwed up leaving the EU
Not one person in the country had benefited from our leaving…. The so called millions the NHS was supposed to get was a lie as was a load of other promises made by Boris and his hangers on.
When some realize the UK is a little island stuck on the North Sea and no longer this huge Empire we once were. Our strength was in the EU… the largest trading block in the world.
The entire rationale for leaving was flawed and built on bulls hit and lies. but we are now out and will ultimately pay the price, as there is no going back at least for a generation or so. actually our lids and grandkids will be the ultimate losers.
The downside of the makro economics of leaving was never fully explained and that was a fatal mistake of the remainers
Not one person in the country had benefited from our leaving…. The so called millions the NHS was supposed to get was a lie as was a load of other promises made by Boris and his hangers on.
When some realize the UK is a little island stuck on the North Sea and no longer this huge Empire we once were. Our strength was in the EU… the largest trading block in the world.
The entire rationale for leaving was flawed and built on bulls hit and lies. but we are now out and will ultimately pay the price, as there is no going back at least for a generation or so. actually our lids and grandkids will be the ultimate losers.
The downside of the makro economics of leaving was never fully explained and that was a fatal mistake of the remainers
That's the sad part for me, not little percentage points of GDP, growth or inflation.
We now appear to be a small selfish looking island which has gone back in time to the days of Empire, imperial measures and the Royal Family. We're seen as wanting to keep the nasty foreigners out and stop our young people from mixing with them in their countries. It's all very small minded and backward looking to me, shame but I'm sure all those benefits will come rolling in any time soon.
You are right about the next generation being the ones that will really pay. We expect 16 year olds to do exams that will influence the rest of their lives. Should have allowed them to vote on this one as it has much greater impact than any of us. Going by some research 16 and 17 year olds would have strongly votes remain. Shame.
Agree. Our image in the world surely has suffered as a result. We have essentially said we are better off on our own than one on of the biggest teams in the world. It is bizarre really. I can see important political world events soon where we take our seat in the back rows, not the front. We are not what we once were, and we are even less outside of the EU, imo.
I saw that… wasn’t convinced by your first point…as I’m sure you’re not naive enough to believe that British politicians won’t be sticking their nose in the trough.
As for you second point, nothing to say pensions wouldn’t go up if we were in Europe or not.
The thing is I respect anyone’s view point if they are happy with the outcome.. I just question the motivation for leaving and the actual results having done do… all I see is … the country and its citizens are weaker than before
You are right I am not naive enough to believe that but I’m also not naive enough to not know it happened after we joined not before.
I don’t see our citizens being any worse off for Brexit, Covid maybe though.
My second question was if it so good why isn’t Labour fighting to get back in, especially when the polls are supposed to be saying 54% have changed their mind from leave to remain.
Good point with asking that question.
In short, it was too divisive an issue to fight on in the last general election. That has lead to Labour having no mandate to rejoin the EU.
My dad was much more switched on than me in regard to politics and also had dealings with the EU and other countries to try to bring investment to the region. He was already very poorly with cancer when the Brexit vote happened and was devastated by it. His overall view was that the EU was beneficial for the UK and said he was not ashamed to admit being a europhile. The EU grants worked in favour of deprived areas like the North East.
I can’t deny that the EU has faults and overreached with its aims to homogenise/assimilate the member countries.
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Do you mind me saying 1 of your reasons was a selfish one? Pensions being better and your lifestyle being better? I genuinely pleased for pensioners, we need to look after them. But what about those coming later? Do you think they are better off? The pension scheme, as it is, seems to leave those of us behind you needing to work longer, and then those even younger? What about them? Not trying to be an arse, but I can only tell you many are worse off thanks to Brexit.
No problem mate,
1 I am over the moon that we have got rid of those blood sucking parasites in Brussels,
Who were taking our money spending it on a lavish life stile with all their hangers on and giving us a percentage back to spend on projects they see fit and thinking we should be grateful for it.
2 My lifestyle has improved greatly by getting pension rises bigger than I’ve ever had since I retired.
Question for you
We had the biggest ship builders, car industry, coal mining industry, fishing industry and farming industry when we joined the EU now we are the smallest any idea why?
PS why are Labour not begging the EU to rejoin?
PPS forgot Steel industry
No I don’t mind you saying at all mate, I never looked at myself as being selfish after paying for a pension for over 50 years but you are never to old to learn
I'm pretty sure they would like to, but politically not the smartest move.The referendum wasn't that long ago and the rise of the Reform Party will almost certainly kick this option down the path for a long time for whatever party wants to do it.
I reckon in about 10 years it will be back on the table as the full effects of leaving by then will be laid bare.
When we joined it was called the common market just for trading and then the elitist rich money men got involved then sovereign governments were being interfered with by bureaucrats that is why it's starting to fall apart countries are beginning to see it's just one big Ponzi scheme.
We paid in billions of our own money and got a smaller amount back to pay for the measly handouts to regions.
Remember it was our money in the first place paid for by you me and every other tax payers.
Since the common market morphed into the EU Europe has become more volatile not safer.
I voted for it being just for trade not to become a federal state governed by a central government after all that's how fascism communism starts.
We paid in billions of our own money and got a smaller amount back to pay for the measly handouts to regions.
Remember it was our money in the first place paid for by you me and every other tax payers.
Since the common market morphed into the EU Europe has become more volatile not safer.
I voted for it being just for trade not to become a federal state governed by a central government after all that's how fascism communism starts.
It's not just a central bank where you pay in and hope for a bit of interest to be fair.
It made exporting easier, which brought in huge amounts, as well as the ability to trade, travel, work and live in Europe.
We've also lost about two or three million EU tourists which has affected our hospitality industry, etc.
Leaving may all turn out to have been a wonderful idea but year after year rolls by and we just look a little isolated imo.
More new regulations making it harder for us in the UK now we are out of the EU this week. Equates to less economic growth, which hurts us all.
A few more figures from the Guardian this week.
We export £3bn less in food. Brexit cost the UK £1m per hour in 2022 Brexit will cause UK trade to fall by 15%.
In one survey 75% of farmers say Brexit has been harmful. Fisherman say it has not delivered.
Folk will say it was the bad deal we struck, not Brexit itself. This is naieve in my view. There could never be a good deal when negotiating 1 with many, ever. In reality we probably did better than could be expected.
And we still have Farage claiming we should get over it. I dont see why we should, when it continues to produce more and more negative outcomes for us.
A few more figures from the Guardian this week.
We export £3bn less in food. Brexit cost the UK £1m per hour in 2022 Brexit will cause UK trade to fall by 15%.
In one survey 75% of farmers say Brexit has been harmful. Fisherman say it has not delivered.
Folk will say it was the bad deal we struck, not Brexit itself. This is naieve in my view. There could never be a good deal when negotiating 1 with many, ever. In reality we probably did better than could be expected.
And we still have Farage claiming we should get over it. I dont see why we should, when it continues to produce more and more negative outcomes for us.