Off Topic BREXIT

[TIGERSCAVE]

I still don't really understand this taking back control argument. Unless you believe all those made-up stories by the daily mail about EU directives on maximum sizes of bunches of bananas and the like, myths which have been perpetuated for years. We're not in the Euro, our govt sets tax rates, interest rates, everything important comes from Westminster. What exactly is it that we couldn't do in Europe, that the brexiters want to be able to do? If peiple are unhappy with their lot, well we have elections every five years when you can change the government.

And therein dies your argument. The people have felt disassociated with consecutive governments of both colours who have lied, lied and then lied a bit more. This referendum has shown conclusively the huge disparity between London, Scotland and the rest of the country. There is life outside of London, unfortunately the Remain bus/ sorry chauffeur driven car never got out of the M25. So if you ask what good has come out of the Brexit result, its the fact that things will change for the better for Joe Public.

 

[Tobes]

As an example BMW sell circa 20% of all their new cars into the UK, you think that they aren't going to be desperate to strike up a trade agreement? The U.K. is a huge market and EU countries will be desperate to maintain the status quo with regards to protecting their interests. Can you imagine BMW having to make up a 20% deficit on sales of their cars from elsewhere?

I work for a Spanish company in the UK, their position is carry on as normal....

BMW and Mini sold about 2.2m cars last year and about 10% of those came to the UK, not 20%.

A falling pound will make retailing those cars into this country a less appealing proposition for the Germans, who'll face having to either heavily subsidise the cost and thus reduce margin or increase the retail prices in this market. They're not going to stop wanting to trade but they'll almost certainly accept a lower volume in this market and seek to cover the shortfall in emerging markets.

 

[brownbagtiger]

EU HQ!? I've never heard of one of them. I've heard of a European HQ. Why not have a European HQ in Europe? I think countries from different continents prefer to have their HQs in/or near London due to the fact that English is an international business language and the transport links.

They do business in English in Frankfurt and Paris and Rome you know. They have talented professionals and specialist skills in the other 27 countries of the EU too. Once you take away the advantage of being in the EU, it will be harder to attract international businesses to set up their operations here. We're not that special.

 

[trouserpress]

And therein dies your argument. The people have felt disassociated with consecutive governments of both colours who have lied, lied and then lied a bit more. This referendum has shown conclusively the huge disparity between London, Scotland and the rest of the country. There is life outside of London, unfortunately the Remain bus/ sorry chauffeur driven car never got out of the M25. So if you ask what good has come out of the Brexit result, its the fact that things will change for the better for Joe Public.

Hmm I really can't see how life for the poorer ignored parts of the country is going to improve under a govt led by Johnson and Gove. In recession. I understand the frustration but this looks like a case of cutting off their noses to spite their faces. I agree completely that the gap between the haves and have nots has grown unacceptably large, and the economy is far too London centric. But that wasn't the question posed was it. I hope all those who voted out get as involved in the next general election.

 

[Edelman]

And therein dies your argument. The people have felt disassociated with consecutive governments of both colours who have lied, lied and then lied a bit more. This referendum has shown conclusively the huge disparity between London, Scotland and the rest of the country. There is life outside of London, unfortunately the Remain bus/ sorry chauffeur driven car never got out of the M25. So if you ask what good has come out of the Brexit result, its the fact that things will change for the better for Joe Public.

Theres no facts at all yet.

 

[brownbagtiger]

So if you ask what good has come out of the Brexit result, its the fact that things will change for the better for Joe Public.

What things?

 

[petersaxton]

Ah now we're getting to the nub of it. You want to be able to deport people more easily. Well worth risking the economy for. Anything else?

What nub are we getting to? I gave one example.
What's this about "risking the economy for"? There's a much bigger risk to the economy by staying in the EU given the size of many countries unemployment levels. The richer EU countries will have to bail out the poorer countries given the ludicrous decision to encourage countries of different economic strengths to adopt the Euro. This wont be limited to Eurozone countries. Many other countries are getting demands from their citizens to hold a referendum to enable them to get out of the EU. Within 10 years the EU will consist of Germany and the countries they are propping up financially.
They'll have to find two more cities to transport the contents of their offices for a few days every month!

 

[MadridTiger]

That's fine! I voted leave and I believe in years to come we'll be stronger for it.

There'll be more exits along the way with other countries unhappy with central governance from Brussels.

And I hope that can work amicably. I just hope everyone can work hard to make it work whatever side you're on

 

[Edelman]

BMW and Mini sold about 2.2m cars last year and about 10% of those came to the UK, not 20%.

A falling pound will make retailing those cars into this country a less appealing proposition for the Germans, who'll face having to either heavily subsidise the cost and thus reduce margin or increase the retail prices in this market. They're not going to stop wanting to trade but they'll almost certainly accept a lower volume in this market and seek to cover the shortfall in emerging markets.

Im dont think that the people that can afford such high end automobiles will be to bothered about the extra cost.
They arnt working class.

 

[petersaxton]

So 20 countries, as long as those 20 countries populations collectively add up to over 65% of the population of the EU?

By the way although I agree it won't happen there are still some saying Brexit could be blocked http://news.sky.com/story/1717556/labour-mp-urges-commons-vote-to-block-brexit

Yes
There's always some people who will only accept a democratic process if it gives the result they want. They wont get anywhere because they are despised by the majority of the population.

 

[trouserpress]

What nub are we getting to? I gave one example.
What's this about "risking the economy for"? There's a much bigger risk to the economy by staying in the EU given the size of many countries unemployment levels. The richer EU countries with have to bail out the poorer countries given the ludicrous decision to encourage countries of different economic strengths to adopt the Euro. This wont be limited to Eurozone countries. Many other countries are getting demands from their citizens to hold a referendum to enable them to get out of the EU. Within 10 years the EU will consist of Germany and the countries they are propping up financially.
They'll have to find two more cities to transport the contents of their offices for a few days every month!

Well i asked for an example of this control you desperately want to take back, and the first example you gave concerned immigration. Just found that intereesting thats all. And more risky economically staying in Europe? Consiedring most economists would disagree with that, wondering what you base that on.

 

[petersaxton]

They do business in English in Frankfurt and Paris and Rome you know. They have talented professionals and specialist skills in the other 27 countries of the EU too. Once you take away the advantage of being in the EU, it will be harder to attract international businesses to set up their operations here. We're not that special.

Not as much as in London.
The UK taxes are lower also.
What's the advantage of being in the EU? When we leave the EU it will be crumbling already.

 

[petersaxton]

Well i asked for an example of this control you desperately want to take back, and the first example you gave concerned immigration. Just found that intereesting thats all. And more risky economically staying in Europe? Consiedring most economists would disagree with that, wondering what you base that on.

I told you.
You have a lot of faith in economists don't you? Are these the same economists who said we should join the Euro?

 

[brownbagtiger]

Im dont think that the people that can afford such high end automobiles will be to bothered about the extra cost.
They arnt working class.

We're not talking Jaguar and Aston Martin - bmw and mini might be higher range but they aren't exclusive. Neither are Citroen, Renault, Peugeot & Volkswagen - all popular brands in the UK.

 

[trouserpress]

So any other examples of taking back control or is that merely a euphemism for keeping immigrants out? If that is the reason people voted leave that's fine, no need to be embarrassed about it.

And yes I'm afraid I do trust experts like economists over the man in the street, even though the leave campaign encouraged people to distrust the "experts". Wonder why that was...

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Im dont think that the people that can afford such high end automobiles will be to bothered about the extra cost.
They arnt working class.

Define working class.


I'm assuming you were deliberately trying to provoke a response.

 

[OedipusTex]

From an outsiders viewpoint, there have been few greater barriers to free trade than the European Union. Once the UK exits and negotiates their own free trade agreements they'll be much better off economically without the albatross the Brussels bureaucracy has become. The banks will stay, or may scale back only for the short term. Where else are they going to go as no place on the continent is going to supplant London as the financial powerhouse of Europe. Stay the course. Endure the volatility and near-term uncertainty. Better days surely lie ahead. Westward, look, the land is bright!

 

[Tobes]

What nub are we getting to? I gave one example.
What's this about "risking the economy for"? There's a much bigger risk to the economy by staying in the EU given the size of many countries unemployment levels. The richer EU countries with have to bail out the poorer countries given the ludicrous decision to encourage countries of different economic strengths to adopt the Euro. This wont be limited to Eurozone countries. Many other countries are getting demands from their citizens to hold a referendum to enable them to get out of the EU. Within 10 years the EU will consist of Germany and the countries they are propping up financially.
They'll have to find two more cities to transport the contents of their offices for a few days every month!

Our economy was doing just fine before this vote, now we've got to face the massive market uncertainty that will lead to a shrinking of our GDP as companies choose to take safer investments while Britain remains in a protracted Brexit negotiation.

To say our economy was more at risk if we remained is absolute twaddle. As we're not liable for a bean if the likes of Greece need a bail out again, due to the agreement signed by Cameron.

 

[petersaxton]

I've already posted a link to the EU web page that talks about free trade agreements. The EU seems to be very eager to do deals.
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/agreements/index_en.htm

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Our economy was doing just fine before this vote, now we've got to face the massive market uncertainty that will lead to a shrinking of our GDP as companies choose to take safer investments while Britain remains in a protracted Brexit negotiation.

To say our economy was more at risk if we remained is absolute twaddle. As we're not liable for a bean if the likes of Greece need a bail out again, due to the agreement signed by Cameron.

How was it doung 8 years ago?